From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ummeegge To: development@lists.ipfire.org Subject: Re: The parallel projects (was Re: Apache 2.4 and php 5.6 test branch) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:50:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1F8B3022-0C81-4444-99CA-854FB7315BC3@ipfire.org> In-Reply-To: <8425d3258a69433b15c21671732bc584@mail01.ipfire.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1849134922234725211==" List-Id: --===============1849134922234725211== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Am 19.01.2016 um 12:41 schrieb Michael Tremer : >=20 > When starting with something we often don't know where we will end up. > That's quite normal. However going to the very end won't work either. That=C2=B4s true but i=C2=B4am not sure what you mean with "going to the very= end" ? Regarding to the mailproxy/server project it is beneath an also surel= y commercial intend also a kind of fun for the involved people there to build= up some features they want to have but it contains also a little knowledge (= may for other interested people) of how it is possible to build your own stuf= f in a Linux from Scratch environment by examples and realize your own wishes= but also concrete steps how it could be in general possible to deliver bugs = or to handle a little more with Git and i know about the will of the involved= people to cooperate with the IPFire project and deliver their work too but t= here are sadly some obstacles sometimes with language (english in this case) = and possibly also the how to integrate themselves into the development proces= s. I=C2=B4am not sure how much + work you have had causing this project but b= asically this circle (3-5 people) tried to help themselves at all and not to = stick to the core developers and their time, also a bigger part of the work w= hich was done in there concerns also the core part of IPFire. May it is the w= rong part to discuss the sense of Addons like Postfix, Amavisd or even Spamas= sassin on IPFire since they where and are available, some people are interest= ed in the usage of it and the project starts initially with an idea to implem= ent another security layer like the mailproxy. This aren=C2=B4t a core part o= f IPFire since you need to install this Addons first, it can be seen a little= similar to the Copfilter project. Nevertheless i do not see updates for Apac= he, PHP, Perl and a lot of other basic (common) components as a beside work o= r 3rd party stuff please correct me if i=C2=B4am wrong. The whole Email flood you deliver may cause also of this kind of projects whi= ch are going on in the forum but how should we deal with this ? The forum is = a good possibility to find a wider range of people with various systems, i th= ink it is also a voice from and for the community beneath small talk and supp= ort. It is hard to see before what will happens with this or that topic or ho= w much questions will be addressed to the wrong people. Could it be a solutio= n to redirect them just to the appropriate topics if you have nothing to do w= ith this code ? >=20 > We can't ship that all in just one update. There are many reasons for > that. >=20 > 1) The updates will get too big to ship. >=20 > 2) The updates will be too big to get tested. Not many people are > engaging in this any way. >=20 > And we actually don't need to have this so stressful. >=20 > Some things of that like PHP can be updated individually or with > fewer dependencies. So we start with that and go on from there. For sure. I tried to deliver this many time also in other forum sections, in = that specific i tried to deliver ideas of how we can split all that into bite= -sized morsels, mentioned also many times the usage of the mailinglist and ha= ve called for the usage of it and i don=C2=B4t know why it is such a big hurd= le even a lot of stuff are already available. Although some help also in ther= e is definitely needed cause we stuck there also with some unsolvable problem= s. PHP and Apache was also a splitted working part of that and i currently do no= t know what the state or problem is in there ? >=20 > Does anyone know if they are even all subscribed? Not sure about that, have seen Dirk so far, Daniel has delivered the mail cor= respondence with Marcel in here, Thomas wrote also in here some time ago i th= ink and Matthias helped in the forums section also out and is shurley also he= re present ;-). So let me mentioned in the end. Like Dirk said it already, it was and is not = our intend to make things worst with our Forum projects for anybody, the oppo= site was the case and i feel a little sorry that all the achieved work produc= es frustration cause it was also meant to save time for the core developers b= y delivering tested updates also for core system components where it sadly se= ems to struggles at the end by finding a solution how to deliver them or simp= ly to speak with another. For myself, i have also some other open projects in the forum (e.g. Portspoof= , Pmacct, Ossec) which may also never comes to an end simply because it is ni= ce to research for new functionalities also with other people but also to bri= ng on new ideas and cast an eye on new stuff. I can understand the hassle whi= ch you have Michael, so just say it and i will close them and stop this kind = of work if it makes no sense at all but only stress. So far from here. 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