Re: Is this Grsecurity patch issue going to harm IPFire going forward?

[IT Superhack <itsuperhack@web.de>]

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Michael Tremer:
> On Mon, 2015-08-31 at 12:08 +0200, IT Superhack wrote:
>> Michael Tremer:
>>> I certainly like the idea to help funding the project. However I do
>>> not
>>> see any point in raising money to give to the lawyers to defend the
>>> trademark or to sue because of the GPL violation. That money could
>>> certainly be used better than being given to the lawyers.
>> I agree with Michael. Raising money just for giving them to lawyers
>> is
>> not a very good solution in my point of view.
>>
>> In the past, I noticed that there were patches send to grsecurity
>> coming
>> from the IPFire team. Therefore, I guess there might be a way to get
>> out
>> of this situation.
> 
> What does that change?
It is usually much easier to solve a conflict if both sides already know
each other and cooperated in the past... (Not sure if it works here, but
usually, it does.)
> 
>> Remember Transifex? On their website, they said that open-source
>> projects don't need to pay anything, commercial projects need to do
>> so.
>> I like this idea because it takes the money from those who can afford
>> to
>> pay it, and not from everybody. Maybe Brad and the PaX team would
>> agree
>> to this...
> 
> This is very easy to do with services and not so easy with software. We
> don't have a license for that, either. I personally would not consider
> this being a good option because free software should be free for every
> one.
Of course, it would conflict with the definition of "free" software. But
in my opinion, it is better to restrict the freedom than to ruin your
project, and I think that's what the grsecurity team did (which is
understandable to me).
> 
>>>
>>> Just donate to the projects you use and love. Every single bit does
>>> help. It will sum up soon.
>> I have a general question here: How much users does IPFire has? (Once
>> Michael said if everybody running an IPFire system would donate 1€
>> per
>> month, worries about funding would become obsolete.)
> 
> We do not know exactly how many systems are out there. If you count
> users that would be an extremely higher number than instances, because
> we know that there are many with hundreds and thousands of users.
Of course, but I'm sure there is a way of telling the amount (1 000? 100
000? 1 Million?) of systems, isn't it?
> 
> I said that in my talk at the last IPFire summit, that if we had one
> Euro for each running system a month, we would have enough money to run
> the project in a different way :)
Ah, okay, that was it.
> 
Best regards,
Timmothy Wilson



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