From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: IT Superhack To: development@lists.ipfire.org Subject: Re: Is this Grsecurity patch issue going to harm IPFire going forward? Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 18:35:50 +0200 Message-ID: <55F05FE6.5040100@web.de> In-Reply-To: <1441059261.18358.130.camel@ipfire.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0873061890414508143==" List-Id: --===============0873061890414508143== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael Tremer: > On Mon, 2015-08-31 at 12:08 +0200, IT Superhack wrote: >> Michael Tremer: >>> I certainly like the idea to help funding the project. However I do >>> not >>> see any point in raising money to give to the lawyers to defend the >>> trademark or to sue because of the GPL violation. That money could >>> certainly be used better than being given to the lawyers. >> I agree with Michael. Raising money just for giving them to lawyers >> is >> not a very good solution in my point of view. >> >> In the past, I noticed that there were patches send to grsecurity >> coming >> from the IPFire team. Therefore, I guess there might be a way to get >> out >> of this situation. > > What does that change? It is usually much easier to solve a conflict if both sides already know each other and cooperated in the past... (Not sure if it works here, but usually, it does.) > >> Remember Transifex? On their website, they said that open-source >> projects don't need to pay anything, commercial projects need to do >> so. >> I like this idea because it takes the money from those who can afford >> to >> pay it, and not from everybody. Maybe Brad and the PaX team would >> agree >> to this... > > This is very easy to do with services and not so easy with software. We > don't have a license for that, either. I personally would not consider > this being a good option because free software should be free for every > one. Of course, it would conflict with the definition of "free" software. But in my opinion, it is better to restrict the freedom than to ruin your project, and I think that's what the grsecurity team did (which is understandable to me). > >>> >>> Just donate to the projects you use and love. Every single bit does >>> help. It will sum up soon. >> I have a general question here: How much users does IPFire has? (Once >> Michael said if everybody running an IPFire system would donate 1€ >> per >> month, worries about funding would become obsolete.) > > We do not know exactly how many systems are out there. If you count > users that would be an extremely higher number than instances, because > we know that there are many with hundreds and thousands of users. Of course, but I'm sure there is a way of telling the amount (1 000? 100 000? 1 Million?) of systems, isn't it? > > I said that in my talk at the last IPFire summit, that if we had one > Euro for each running system a month, we would have enough money to run > the project in a different way :) Ah, okay, that was it. > Best regards, Timmothy Wilson --===============0873061890414508143== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" MIME-Version: 1.0 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KCmlRRWNCQUVCQ2dBR0JRSlY4Ri90QUFvSkVP eUxhMUM1RWF6cmwxa0gvakw4N1YrN2xMTUk5cG92bTZhc2tLY0UKZEl5d1RXbFJub2MxOEFhb01O N0s5b2tPZFQ5RlE5R1ZWeVJ4SytZcmxzbEZ4MUlPUGVURmRteUQ0b3oxTEZqNAp6eGx5bitMWERG cWcrU1Q3TUNmTitHTFU0Vnc0RzdKUEVjWHEwaEdyMkJZcjVlM1FMblBLdThDNUhxcEdCVXFmCk1R RVdGTnd4RWRabC9XWHdydjJsM1NWdGlIWDExWXBhZ2ZUNFVQRWhEanRTSmFBVGkvRENhSW1GNHBO ZTZLY28KQTVITWFPd2hLVzdRSjNyNm9lSFNRTFpCOUNDeDRnRGhOTXZ4cCtoMUtlSnhKR2dveDJ3 RHR6d1dJMUpEaUg5bwpqWjNwNWhiSVVrSHFtZjZiS0lJV2hTQThLNDdyWUNLV0hDeGF0SjhpUi9h emtqMmFQTVZMaGFGN0ExaWhlM2c9Cj1WSmxuCi0tLS0tRU5EIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQo= --===============0873061890414508143==--