Re: The parallel projects (was Re: Apache 2.4 and php 5.6 test branch)

["R. W. Rodolico" <rodo@dailydata.net>]

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Understood.

On 01/22/2016 08:19 PM, Michael Tremer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> so to put an end to this discussion (I think we have heard the
> opinions of everyone who this matters to), I would like to quickly
> recap and propose some actions we/I will now take.
> 
> So Marcel (aka gocart on the forums) has unfortunately contacted
> me privately because he doesn't want to discuss this on this
> mailing list for several reasons. He allowed me to publish the
> content of that conversation. I won't post the full text (it is in
> German any way), but pick some points that I found interesting.
> 
> The first of the reasons why he is not taking part in this
> conversation on this list is that there is a language barrier and
> secondly he finds this list "useless". The latter one of these left
> me quite puzzled. I expressed my disappointment about that and
> asked again that he would think about it but there has been no
> reply.
> 
> He agrees that there have to be rules when many people are working 
> together, but he does not accept ours. Even having this debate
> about these rules is a waste of time to him. It actually is, but
> rules have to be set up and and they have to be challenged from
> time to time.
> 
> Upstreaming work is a matter of leaving it in a git repository
> until somebody takes over. He is refusing a discussion about his
> work.
> 
> Just to remind you: This was never about just him. There are other 
> parallel projects. He is just the only person who voiced himself a 
> little bit. The others didn't.
> 
> 
> So I come to my personal conclusion that I will just leave the
> stuff as it is. I won't talk with these people as there is clearly
> no point. I won't feel a bit responsible for what they are doing
> there.
> 
> If someone wants to take their stuff and post it to the list in an 
> orderly fashion that is something else. Maybe these people can
> agree that one member of the team is talking to the rest of the
> developers as a spokesman. I find that just silly, but there might
> be other ways.
> 
> For me, stuff happens on this list. Nowhere else. Period.
> 
> 
> The other consequence I am taking is to rename the development area
> on the forums. My first idea was to just get rid of it, but I guess
> people will be posting their stuff in other sub-forums then. So it
> will just be renamed to clearly state that this is *not* the place
> where development happens so that nobody can complain that "the
> developers" don't reply to their posts. There is this list. There
> is Bugzilla. These are the places to go.
> 
> 
> I hope that these changes will improve the situation. I am in no
> way trying to deter those contributors from contributing to this
> project. I am trying to do the opposite which is to steer them
> towards contributing their patches in a way that we can review
> them, improve them if necessary, and then merge them into the
> distribution so that IPFire becomes better. This process however
> needs to follow rules and it appears that we have to enforce those
> even more.
> 
> Feel free to comment on this, but please keep it short if you can 
> because I want to focus on other things. Just in case someone is 
> interested in the PMs from Marcel let me know and I will post
> them, too.
> 
> Best, -Michael
> 

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