[PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Jonatan Schlag]

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The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.

Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
---
 html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
 langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
 langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
--- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
+++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
@@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
 	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
 }
 
-# Legacy architecture
+# EOL architecture
 my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
 if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
-	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
+	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
 }
 
 # Memory usage warning
diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
--- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
+++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
@@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
 'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
 'entropy' => 'Entropie',
 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
+'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
 'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
 'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
 'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
--- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
+++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
@@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
 'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
 'entropy' => 'Entropy',
 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
+'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
 'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
 'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
 'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',
-- 
2.20.1

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Bernhard Bitsch]

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Agreed.
- Bernhard

Reviewed-by: Bernhard Bitsch <bbitsch(a)ipfire.org>

Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
> ---
>   html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>   langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>   langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>   3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>   	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>   }
>   
> -# Legacy architecture
> +# EOL architecture
>   my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>   if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
> -	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
> +	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
>   }
>   
>   # Memory usage warning
> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>   'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>   'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>   'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>   'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>   'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>   'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>   'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>   'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>   'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>   'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>   'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>   'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',
> 

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Leo Hofmann]

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Hi Jonatan,

Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
>
> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
> ---
>   html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>   langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>   langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>   3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>   	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>   }
>   
> -# Legacy architecture
> +# EOL architecture
>   my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>   if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
> -	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
> +	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
The "href" attribute isn't officially allowed in <li> elements, this link may not work with picky browsers.
Here you can see which elements support "href": https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp

Best regards
Leo

>   }
>   
>   # Memory usage warning
> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>   'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>   'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>   'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>   'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>   'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>   'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>   'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>   'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>   'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>   'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>   'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>   'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Michael Tremer]

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Hello,

Indeed. Good catch.

I think this would be fine without the link. We will send an announcement which people hopefully won’t miss.

@Jonatan: Are you going to resubmit this patch?

Best,
-Michael

> On 28 Nov 2021, at 20:09, Leo Hofmann <hofmann(a)leo-andres.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonatan,
> 
> Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
>> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
>> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
>> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
>> 
>> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
>> ---
>>  html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>>  langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>>  langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>>  3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>> 
>> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
>> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>>  	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>>  }
>>  -# Legacy architecture
>> +# EOL architecture
>>  my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>>  if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
>> -	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
>> +	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
> The "href" attribute isn't officially allowed in <li> elements, this link may not work with picky browsers.
> Here you can see which elements support "href": https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp
> 
> Best regards
> Leo
> 
>>  }
>>    # Memory usage warning
>> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
>> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>>  'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>>  'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>>  'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>>  'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>>  'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>>  'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
>> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
>> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>>  'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>>  'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>>  'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>>  'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>>  'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>>  'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Michael Tremer]

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Hello,

I have merged the page into the “System Requirements” section because I felt like it fits there best.

Where we say what we support, we should also say what we do not support.

  https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/requirements

-Michael

> On 29 Nov 2021, at 10:16, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Indeed. Good catch.
> 
> I think this would be fine without the link. We will send an announcement which people hopefully won’t miss.
> 
> @Jonatan: Are you going to resubmit this patch?
> 
> Best,
> -Michael
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2021, at 20:09, Leo Hofmann <hofmann(a)leo-andres.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonatan,
>> 
>> Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
>>> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
>>> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
>>> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
>>> 
>>> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
>>> ---
>>> html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>>> langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>>> langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>>> 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>> 
>>> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
>>> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>>> 	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>>> }
>>> -# Legacy architecture
>>> +# EOL architecture
>>> my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>>> if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
>>> -	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
>>> +	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
>> The "href" attribute isn't officially allowed in <li> elements, this link may not work with picky browsers.
>> Here you can see which elements support "href": https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Leo
>> 
>>> }
>>>   # Memory usage warning
>>> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
>>> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>>> 'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
>>> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
>>> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>>> 'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',
> 

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Bernhard Bitsch]

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Hello,

good remark in the wiki. But in the actual situation, it brings up 
another question. Not only i?86 systems are hard to get, this is true 
for many x64 systems also. Not everybody has a spare system laying around.
Could we extend support of those old systems by 1-3 months?
In terms of security it is better to use an old HW than an outdated SW.

Regards,
Bernhard

Am 29.11.2021 um 11:30 schrieb Michael Tremer:
> Hello,
> 
> I have merged the page into the “System Requirements” section because I felt like it fits there best.
> 
> Where we say what we support, we should also say what we do not support.
> 
>    https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/requirements
> 
> -Michael
> 
>> On 29 Nov 2021, at 10:16, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Indeed. Good catch.
>>
>> I think this would be fine without the link. We will send an announcement which people hopefully won’t miss.
>>
>> @Jonatan: Are you going to resubmit this patch?
>>
>> Best,
>> -Michael
>>
>>> On 28 Nov 2021, at 20:09, Leo Hofmann <hofmann(a)leo-andres.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jonatan,
>>>
>>> Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
>>>> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
>>>> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
>>>> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
>>>> ---
>>>> html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>>>> langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>>>> langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>>>> 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
>>>> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>>>> 	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>>>> }
>>>> -# Legacy architecture
>>>> +# EOL architecture
>>>> my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>>>> if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
>>>> -	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
>>>> +	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
>>> The "href" attribute isn't officially allowed in <li> elements, this link may not work with picky browsers.
>>> Here you can see which elements support "href": https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Leo
>>>
>>>> }
>>>>    # Memory usage warning
>>>> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
>>>> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>>>> 'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
>>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
>>>> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
>>>> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>>>> 'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
>>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',
>>
> 

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Michael Tremer]

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Hello Bernhard,

> On 29 Nov 2021, at 10:49, Bernhard Bitsch <bbitsch(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> good remark in the wiki. But in the actual situation, it brings up another question. Not only i?86 systems are hard to get, this is true for many x64 systems also. Not everybody has a spare system laying around.

This is true, but not impossible.

> Could we extend support of those old systems by 1-3 months?
> In terms of security it is better to use an old HW than an outdated SW.

I understand your line of thinking, but I must disagree.

There was now about one year notice and this is enough time to get new hardware. Even if supply is a little bit problematic it isn’t that bad.

This is the reason why we give notice to things like this and I hope that people take the right actions immediately or plan them and I would not like to set precedent by constantly moving deadlines, because the first deadline wasn’t really the actual one.

IPFire will continue to run for a little bit, but we will take add-ons down after a little while, too.

Everyone must upgrade. Lots of people are also running the 32 bit version on 64 bit capable hardware. The figures show us that there are only about <6% of people who are affected by this change.

-Michael

P.S. If you need hardware, please contact me :)

> Regards,
> Bernhard
> 
> Am 29.11.2021 um 11:30 schrieb Michael Tremer:
>> Hello,
>> I have merged the page into the “System Requirements” section because I felt like it fits there best.
>> Where we say what we support, we should also say what we do not support.
>>   https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/requirements
>> -Michael
>>> On 29 Nov 2021, at 10:16, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Indeed. Good catch.
>>> 
>>> I think this would be fine without the link. We will send an announcement which people hopefully won’t miss.
>>> 
>>> @Jonatan: Are you going to resubmit this patch?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> -Michael
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Nov 2021, at 20:09, Leo Hofmann <hofmann(a)leo-andres.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jonatan,
>>>> 
>>>> Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
>>>>> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
>>>>> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
>>>>> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>>>>> langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>>>>> langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>>>>> 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>>> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
>>>>> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>>> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>>> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>>>>> 	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>>>>> }
>>>>> -# Legacy architecture
>>>>> +# EOL architecture
>>>>> my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>>>>> if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
>>>>> -	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
>>>>> +	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
>>>> The "href" attribute isn't officially allowed in <li> elements, this link may not work with picky browsers.
>>>> Here you can see which elements support "href": https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Leo
>>>> 
>>>>> }
>>>>>   # Memory usage warning
>>>>> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>>> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
>>>>> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>>> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>>> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>>>>> 'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>>>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>>>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
>>>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>>>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>>>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>>>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
>>>>> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>>> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
>>>>> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>>> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>>> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>>>>> 'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>>>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>>>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
>>>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>>>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>>>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>>>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',
>>> 

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Bernhard Bitsch]

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Hello Michael,

Am 10.12.2021 um 14:55 schrieb Michael Tremer:
> Hello Bernhard,
> 
>> On 29 Nov 2021, at 10:49, Bernhard Bitsch <bbitsch(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> good remark in the wiki. But in the actual situation, it brings up another question. Not only i?86 systems are hard to get, this is true for many x64 systems also. Not everybody has a spare system laying around.
> 
> This is true, but not impossible.
> 

I know. ;)

>> Could we extend support of those old systems by 1-3 months?
>> In terms of security it is better to use an old HW than an outdated SW.
> 
> I understand your line of thinking, but I must disagree.
> 
> There was now about one year notice and this is enough time to get new hardware. Even if supply is a little bit problematic it isn’t that bad.
> 
> This is the reason why we give notice to things like this and I hope that people take the right actions immediately or plan them and I would not like to set precedent by constantly moving deadlines, because the first deadline wasn’t really the actual one.
> 

That's right. But if the planning was for end of this year, there might 
be a problem. As I've experienced myself. ;)

> IPFire will continue to run for a little bit, but we will take add-ons down after a little while, too.
> 
> Everyone must upgrade. Lots of people are also running the 32 bit version on 64 bit capable hardware. The figures show us that there are only about <6% of people who are affected by this change.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> P.S. If you need hardware, please contact me :)
> 

Thanks for the offer. But I've been successful in ordering an APU and 
thus am glad to have a fast system  now. :)

Regards,
Bernhard

>> Regards,
>> Bernhard
>>
>> Am 29.11.2021 um 11:30 schrieb Michael Tremer:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have merged the page into the “System Requirements” section because I felt like it fits there best.
>>> Where we say what we support, we should also say what we do not support.
>>>    https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/requirements
>>> -Michael
>>>> On 29 Nov 2021, at 10:16, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. Good catch.
>>>>
>>>> I think this would be fine without the link. We will send an announcement which people hopefully won’t miss.
>>>>
>>>> @Jonatan: Are you going to resubmit this patch?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> -Michael
>>>>
>>>>> On 28 Nov 2021, at 20:09, Leo Hofmann <hofmann(a)leo-andres.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jonatan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
>>>>>> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
>>>>>> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
>>>>>> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>>>>>> langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>>>>>> langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>>>>>> 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>>>> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
>>>>>> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>>>> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>>>>> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>>>>>> 	$warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> -# Legacy architecture
>>>>>> +# EOL architecture
>>>>>> my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>>>>>> if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
>>>>>> -	$warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
>>>>>> +	$warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
>>>>> The "href" attribute isn't officially allowed in <li> elements, this link may not work with picky browsers.
>>>>> Here you can see which elements support "href": https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Leo
>>>>>
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>    # Memory usage warning
>>>>>> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>>>> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
>>>>>> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>>>> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>>>>> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>>>>>> 'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>>>>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>>>>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
>>>>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>>>>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>>>>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>>>>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
>>>>>> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>>>> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
>>>>>> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>>>> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>>>>> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>>>>>> 'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>>>>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>>>>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
>>>>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>>>>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>>>>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>>>>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',
>>>>
> 

Re: [PATCH] Inform users about the eol of i?86

[Jonatan Schlag]

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Hi,

> Am 29.11.2021 um 11:16 schrieb Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Indeed. Good catch.
> 
> I think this would be fine without the link. We will send an announcement which people hopefully won’t miss.

I do not think that it is fine without the link. Pointing people to the right direction of information is not a nice to have from my point of view.  Sure we send informations and all these stuff. But other people do this as well and inboxes are full of information. It is easy to say that people will know where to search, but usually they don’t. And I definitely blame nobody for this. In only rare cases the administrator will only work with IPFire systems. So forgetting where the wiki is, the information located or missing the announcement is easy and human. We could also link to the announcement, but that link at least I do not know now.

Just to mention that the other links in the warnings are broken as well. So once again testing with tools shows it strengthens :-).

Greetings
Jonatan

> @Jonatan: Are you going to resubmit this patch?
> 
> Best,
> -Michael
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2021, at 20:09, Leo Hofmann <hofmann(a)leo-andres.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonatan,
>> 
>>> Am 28.11.2021 um 16:43 schrieb Jonatan Schlag:
>>> The warning point to a wiki page which is currently in construction.
>>> This should give us the opportunity to add further information for
>>> these users even if we do not provide updates anymore.
>>> 
>>> Signed-off-by: Jonatan Schlag <jonatan.schlag(a)ipfire.org>
>>> ---
>>> html/cgi-bin/index.cgi | 4 ++--
>>> langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl | 1 +
>>> langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl | 1 +
>>> 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>> 
>>> diff --git a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>> index 948fdde55..90e2daff0 100644
>>> --- a/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>> +++ b/html/cgi-bin/index.cgi
>>> @@ -541,10 +541,10 @@ if ( ! -e "/var/ipfire/main/send_profile") {
>>>    $warnmessage .= "<li><a style='color: white;' href='fireinfo.cgi'>$Lang::tr{'fireinfo please enable'}</a></li>";
>>> }
>>> -# Legacy architecture
>>> +# EOL architecture
>>> my ($sysname, $nodename, $release, $version, $machine) = &POSIX::uname();
>>> if ($machine =~ m/^i.86$/) {
>>> -    $warnmessage .= "<li>$Lang::tr{'legacy architecture warning'}</li>";
>>> +    $warnmessage .= "<li href='https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/eol-architectures'>$Lang::tr{'eol architecture warning'}</li>";
>> The "href" attribute isn't officially allowed in <li> elements, this link may not work with picky browsers.
>> Here you can see which elements support "href": https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Leo
>> 
>>> }
>>>   # Memory usage warning
>>> diff --git a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>> index e350bc651..c81b28fea 100644
>>> --- a/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>> +++ b/langs/de/cgi-bin/de.pl
>>> @@ -989,6 +989,7 @@
>>> 'enter data' => 'Geben Sie die Daten ein <br /> und klicken Sie danach auf <i>Speichern</i>.',
>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropie',
>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropiegraphen',
>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'Sie betreiben ein IPFire System auf einer Architektur, welche nicht mehr unterstützt wird. Sie werden keine Updates mehr erhalten. Das ist ein Sicherheitsrisiko.',
>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen des Archivs',
>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Fehler beim Datensicherungs-Passwort',
>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Fehler beim Erzeugen der Schlüsseldatei',
>>> diff --git a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>> index 4c05dcf76..a92bb07f8 100644
>>> --- a/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>> +++ b/langs/en/cgi-bin/en.pl
>>> @@ -1015,6 +1015,7 @@
>>> 'enter data' => 'Enter your settings <br /> and then press <i>Save</i>.',
>>> 'entropy' => 'Entropy',
>>> 'entropy graphs' => 'Entropy Graphs',
>>> +'eol architecture warning' => 'You are running an architecture of IPFire which reached its end of life. You will not receive updates anymore. This is a security risk.',
>>> 'err bk 1' => 'Error creating archive',
>>> 'err bk 10 password' => 'Error with backup password',
>>> 'err bk 2 key' => 'Error creating key file',
>