Is this in any way related to what causes the issues with SIP and FTP, etc over IPSec unless the ALG is disabled?

> On Jan 25, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Peter Müller <peter.mueller(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> due to reasons, I currently work on migrating an upstream (Squid) proxy
> machine from HardenedBSD connected via OpenVPN to OpenBSD connected via IPsec.
> 
> The latter one seems to work since the connection is stable and SSH usage
> over the tunnel is possible. However, using the remote Squid proxy as an
> upstream proxy (refer to corresponding setting in proxy.cgi) is impossible
> as responses are not answered from the remote side:
> 
>> [root(a)maverick ~]# export http_proxy="http://10.xxx.xxx.2:3128/"
>> [root(a)maverick ~]# wget -vv example.com
>> --2020-01-25 16:58:00--  http://example.com/
>> Connecting to 10.xxx.xxx.2:3128... connected.
>> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 
>> (wget stalls and eventually runs in a timeout)
> 
> Oddly enough, doing the same thing on a machine within the GREEN network works:
> 
>> user(a)machine:~> export http_proxy="http://10.xxx.xxx.2:3128/"
>> user(a)machine:~> wget -vv heise.de
>> --2020-01-25 16:59:26--  http://heise.de/
>> Verbindungsaufbau zu 10.xxx.xxx.2:3128 … verbunden.
>> Proxy-Anforderung gesendet, auf Antwort wird gewartet … 407 Proxy Authentication Required
>> 2020-01-25 16:59:26 FEHLER 407: Proxy Authentication Required.
> However, a SSH login _is_ possible from the firewall machine to the remote
> IPsec one, which makes me writing this mail as I am not sure about the behaviour's
> root cause.
> 
> Connecting to the IPsec machine seems to require a firewall rule like this:
> - source: firewall (any)
> - use NAT: yes, source NAT enabled, new source IP address = GREEN
> - destination: IPsec remote machine
> - protocol: any
> 
> If source NAT is omitted, accessing the IPsec machine is not possible via
> any given way (ping, SSH, Squid, ...). However, _if_ SNAT is enabled, it
> also affects connections made from the machine within the GREEN network.
> 
> As far as I am concerned, there are two oddities:
> (a) Even with SNAT enabled, the firewall itself is unable to reliably establish
> a connection to an remote IPsec destination.
> (b) If SNAT is enabled for outgoing traffic generated by the firewall, it
> also seems to affect traffic from GREEN/... sources, while it is not configured
> to do so.
> 
> Is there anybody who got remote upstream proxies via IPsec working?
> Are (a) and (b) bugs? If not: What shall I do to work around these?
> 
> Thanks, and best regards,
> Peter Müller