From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.haj.ipfire.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail02.haj.ipfire.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bF20G2w9jz30Zs for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2025 15:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail01.ipfire.org (mail01.haj.ipfire.org [172.28.1.202]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail01.haj.ipfire.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mail02.haj.ipfire.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bF20B6pM0z2xSM for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2025 15:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail01.ipfire.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bF2081v6Pzp3; Sat, 7 Jun 2025 15:19:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ipfire.org; s=202003ed25519; t=1749309545; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=QQy6Bc8gobr2bsqSuwj4W28eN0emHRpivr+J3M52sVI=; b=dSUhqD7zzpP1u2lV/DkObH9RULE7LXmWtcBIFlGwBwI5xdPBd+lCYDjoexvVmJvAo2otFM 2q6lWPW2e9fWFJAg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ipfire.org; s=202003rsa; t=1749309545; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=QQy6Bc8gobr2bsqSuwj4W28eN0emHRpivr+J3M52sVI=; b=upCNZVQGln2nfCYQqCC0dtrU3ysf8KT9hNexTPi/M0x/IIuOiYrqCNZS4OOcmxbHjsegL2 F4C5MnJDnCJ3frsom28Dl8Dds/TAw7/QDrBhQFTLC6yAyGXaEf5OL+mdEASJzztxAu2i+n 0ZCOs2mHZmMWcgKr3Gzu7gdFS3WA8T3qTwXNExbWJ/oanX1IMvaFmkOGS4ffh5TCArOrMg yqs2mx29bJ2o8gmf4y6n7xpubXqD+P8bGPlSEzlMMsqtTXYkNUSxfGlM0yctskZNOpx3Z1 EURgXqFvUc+puDj/Gq5v73ymfs+Ep2IemUskE07YPDTrF0n5lMTRdYvDfSXxuA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?utf-8?Q?Daniel_Weism=C3=BCller?= Precedence: list List-Id: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: Sender: Mail-Followup-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Size of memory that can be used with old IPFire Prime systems Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2025 17:18:53 +0200 Message-Id: References: <81050E6D-F3CA-4ED2-BDB9-1747D17D0651@ipfire.org> Cc: Adolf Belka , development@lists.ipfire.org In-Reply-To: <81050E6D-F3CA-4ED2-BDB9-1747D17D0651@ipfire.org> To: Michael Tremer Hi Adolf, for sure I have ddr3 4gb sodimm modules I will look for them on monday next w= eek. Because I am on vacation until then. - Daniel=20 > Am 05.06.2025 um 19:54 schrieb Michael Tremer := >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHello, >=20 >> On 5 Jun 2025, at 12:55, Adolf Belka wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Michael, >>=20 >>> On 05/06/2025 12:42, Michael Tremer wrote: >>> Hello Adolf, >>> If the Prime appliance is not suitable for testing any more, I am sure w= e can find you something else. >>=20 >> It can still be used for testing and even for some bug development. It is= just that with the IPS enabled, that uses 1.4GB on its own so the memory us= age is around 88% to 94%. >=20 > I have noticed that Suricata has become very memory hungry recently, too. I= think it is since we upgraded to version 7, but I did not verify this. >=20 >> So doing something like a change to the IPS rulesets that are enabled end= s up going into something like 20% swap usage and trying to access the Prime= via SSH has ended up at 35% swap usage just now when I tested it. >> The impact of the swap usage is just that everything ends up going very s= low. >=20 > This appliance is already very slow and the disk-on-module is not super fa= st either. This is not fun to use. >=20 >> Disabling the IPS resolves the swap usage because the memory level is the= n down at 50% or less. >>=20 >>> What would you need? >>=20 >> I don't really know. I find it good to be able to do testing on both vm a= nd physical hardware and the definite benefit of the Prime is that it has a w= ifi connection so I can test out the hostapd element of IPFire, which I can'= t on the vm systems. >>=20 >> I have thought on and off about replacing my "production" old mini applia= nce with one of the new mini appliances and then I could use the old mini ap= pliance for testing etc although it doesn't have a wifi connection. >=20 > We can fix that. I am sure I have a spare WiFi module somewhere around. Ar= e you using WiFi in your production appliance? >=20 >> Until I get to a point to getting the new mini appliance the Prime defini= tely is of benefit to my testing. >>=20 >> Maybe I use the vm systems for IPS e\valuations and disable it on the Pri= me. That would probably help with the memory and performance. >> That's a good idea. I will give that a test out and see how things go. >=20 > Best, > -Michael >=20 >> Regards, >> Adolf. >>=20 >>> -Michael >>>> On 5 Jun 2025, at 10:42, Adolf Belka wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> On 04/06/2025 20:25, Tim Zakharov wrote: >>>>> Adolf, >>>>> If you have access to a 4GB DDR3 SODIMM (even if you temporarily grab o= ne from an old laptop or borrow from a colleague), you could try installing i= t. I wouldn't be surprised if the system booted up and either supported the= full 4GB or limited it to 2.44GB, but worked nonetheless. It won't hurt an= ything to try. Worst case, the system does not power up until you replace t= he original SODIMM. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks for the suggestions Tim. Unfortunately didn't help. My oldest la= ptop turns out to have DDR2 and the SODIMM's are 2GB anyway. >>>> My newest laptop has DDR4, so not usable. >>>> My netbook does have DDR3 but with only a 2GB SODIMM. >>>>=20 >>>>> Tim >>>>> On 6/4/2025 1:18 PM, Michael Tremer wrote: >>>>>> Hello Adolf, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hmm, this might be difficult. I remember that this processor was a li= ttle bit limited in how much RAM it supports. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> However, the Intel Ark says max. 2.44 GiB (https://www.intel.com/cont= ent/www/us/en/products/sku/58916/intel-atom-processor-n2600-1m-cache-1-6-ghz= /specifications.html). >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I am not sure how to put this in, but generally that seems to be not m= uch higher than two. >>>>=20 >>>> I think you are right. >>>>=20 >>>> I am only using it as a Testing evaluation system and as a system to do= bug development work on. >>>>=20 >>>> So I think I will just have to accept that the memory might be used up a= lot and periodically it might go into swap use. I can live with that. >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, >>>> Adolf. >>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> -Michael >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 3 Jun 2025, at 20:15, Adolf Belka wrote:= >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hi Arne and everyone, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> In the monthly conf call I forgot to ask this question. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I have an old IPFire Prime system which has a 2GB sodimm memory card= installed. The memory is very close to fully utilised so that periodically t= he swap space gets used for memory. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I would like to buy some larger memory for it but I need to know if I= can use 8GB cards with it or if it is limited to 4GB as the largest memory s= ize that is usable (or worst case, that I have to stay with the 2GB card if t= hat is the biggest supported). >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Anyone know what the max ram memory that can be supported by the Pri= me systems is? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Adolf. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20