From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
From: Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.org>
To: development@lists.ipfire.org
Subject: Re: DNS.WATCH up again
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2018 11:34:02 +0100
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Hi,

On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 19:41 +0200, Peter M=C3=BCller wrote:
> Hello *,
>=20
> sorry for the late reply.
>=20
> It was me who added DNS.WATCH services to the DNS server list again as soon
> as they were available again here.
>=20
> My opinion of this service is as follows:
> (a) Being unavailable for weeks without any notice is certainly a bad sign.
> At least they cannot be considered reliable.

Which is probably one of the most important things when running a DNS
resolver.

> (b) They state "no logging" on their website (we will never know if this is
> true or not) - compared to more commercial services (Google & Co.), this is
> at least something.

It is a promise. Just like Google promised to never be evil... I am
quite confident that promises like those are being breached a lot.

> (c) Well, technically, they did not tried to manipulate DNS replies or some=
thing
> similar. The JavaScript on their website is funny of course, but it seems to
> be "just" for analytics...

Luckily nobody has to visit the website to use the DNS servers.

But there is a company behind it who's website doesn't load. No idea
what they are doing. IT is not their main business. I do not see why
anyone should be using this when there is so many alternatives around.

> I am happy with having them deleted from the Wiki list. Will stop using them
> during the next few days.

Okay.

It doesn't mean that nobody should be using them, but certainly we
won't recommend them any more.

- -Michael

>=20
> Thanks, and best regards,
> Peter M=C3=BCller
>=20
> > Yes, I agree. We should remove them from the list.
> >=20
> > Not because of that bit of JS there (which is funny in itself), but basic=
ally
> > because they are unreliable and nobody knows who is behind it and how to =
get in
> > touch with them. At least that is my perception of all of this.
> >=20
> > And it is not that there are no alternatives. There are plenty and people=
 should
> > choose from there.
> >=20
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> >=20
> > On Fri, 2018-07-20 at 20:09 +0200, Matthias Fischer wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >=20
> > > On 20.07.2018 17:35, Michael Tremer wrote:
> > > > I have seen that you have re-added them on the wiki, too.
> > > >=20
> > > > Is this a trustworthy DNS provider?
> > >=20
> > > Jm2C:
> > > They failed on Februar, 4th for about two days and now again -
> > > even longer - without any comment.
> > >=20
> > > Besides, I found some intersting comments during searching here:
> > > https://forum.kuketz-blog.de/viewtopic.php?f=3D32&t=3D187 (german)
> > >=20
> > > The code mentioned there ist still present on their site:
> > >=20
> > > ...
> > > <!-- Ideal-Hosting Analytics -->
> > >     <script type=3D"text/javascript">
> > >       var _paq =3D _paq || [];
> > >       _paq.push(['trackPageView']);
> > >       _paq.push(['enableLinkTracking']);
> > >       (function() {
> > >         var u=3D(("https:" =3D=3D document.location.protocol) ? "https"=
 : "http") +
> > > "://analytics.ihgip.net/";
> > >         _paq.push(['setTrackerUrl', u+'piwik.php']);
> > >         _paq.push(['setSiteId', 38]);
> > >         var d=3Ddocument, g=3Dd.createElement('script'),
> > > s=3Dd.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; g.type=3D'text/javascript';
> > >         g.defer=3Dtrue; g.async=3Dtrue; g.src=3Du+'piwik.js';
> > > s.parentNode.insertBefore(g,s);
> > >       })();
> > >     </script>
> > >     <noscript><p><img src=3D"http://analytics.ihgip.net/piwik.php?idsit=
e=3D38"
> > > style=3D"border:0;" alt=3D"" /></p></noscript>
> > >     <!-- End Ideal-Hosting Analytics -->
> > > ...
> > >=20
> > > IMHO we should delete this entry.
> > >=20
> > > Best,
> > > Matthias
> > >=20
> > > > -Michael
> > > >=20
> > > > On Thu, 2018-07-19 at 19:35 +0200, Peter M=C3=BCller wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >=20
> > > > > looks like both DNS servers and website are up again.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Peter M=C3=BCller
> > >=20
> > >=20
>=20
>=20
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