Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage

Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage

[Michael Tremer]

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Hi,

to send emails to the list, you just need to email to

  ipfire-artwork(a)lists.ipfire.org


I copied Maurice to your request and we will wait until he replies.

Best,
-Michael

On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 19:51 +0100, Sven wrote:
> Hi Maurice,
> can you please send me the PSD files from the new layout (Homepage and
> Featurepage)?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sven

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Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage

[Michael Tremer]

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Hello Maurice,

thank you for getting back in touch.

On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 12:58 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> Hi Sven and rest of the gang,
> 
> I nearly thought that the project has died. I'm glad to see that this is not
> the case. Since it's very long time ago I have to check the old PSD files
> within the next days and make sure that you get a good handover.

I can only apologise that everything took so long. I would have liked to see
this realised quicker but time just didn't allow me to work on it. Luckily Sven
is now on board to help out and together we will get this done now!

> Perhaps I'll handover the designs via zeplin.io. I've made very good
> experience with that tool during last year. Please give me some days for
> preparing since I'm very busy right now.

So where have we stopped? As far as I can see the designs for the index and
features page are done. Is there anything I forgot?

I think what Sven mainly needs is the background images that you used and so on.
I am quite sure this doesn't need to be PSD in particular.

If required we can have a conference call with everyone, but I am not sure if
there are any big questions that we cannot discuss on the list.

Best,
-Michael

> Thanks and best regards,
> Maurice
> 
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > to send emails to the list, you just need to email to
> > 
> >   ipfire-artwork(a)lists.ipfire.org
> > 
> > 
> > I copied Maurice to your request and we will wait until he replies.
> > 
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> > 
> > On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 19:51 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > Hi Maurice,
> > > can you please send me the PSD files from the new layout (Homepage and
> > > Featurepage)?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Sven
> 

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Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage

[Michael Tremer]

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Hello guys,

just wanted to check in on you and see how things are going since it has gone a
little bit quiet here.

I am traveling over the next days again, but in case there is anything I can
help out with, please send me an email.

Best,
-Michael

On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
> Hey Maurice,
> no problem.
> I will do it with the variables: https://getbootstrap.com/css/#grid-less so we
> have complete control.
> 
> Greetings,
> Sven
> 
> 
> > On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:37, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hey Sven,
> > 
> > do you think we can do a tiny customization at Bootstrap 4's column grid
> > system? Just 24px gutter width instead of 30px? I found a short guide for
> > that. Seems pretty easy.
> > 
> > http://arnique.net/web-design/58/a-quick-guide-to-changing-bootstraps-gutter
> > -width/
> > 
> > From my point of view it looks like you just need to change this:
> > 
> > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > >   padding-right: 15px;
> > >   padding-left: 15px;
> > > }
> > > .row {
> > >   margin-right: -15px;
> > >   margin-left: -15px;
> > > }  
> >  
> > to this:
> > 
> > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > >   padding-right: 12px;
> > >   padding-left: 12px;
> > > }
> > > .row {
> > >   margin-right: -12px;
> > >   margin-left: -12px;
> > > }
> > 
> > That would help me to follow consistent UI metrics.
> > 
> > Best, Maurice
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>
> > wrote:
> > > It would be nice to keep the conversation in English since there are
> > > people
> > > reading our mailing lists who don't speak German.
> > > 
> > > I know it might be a little bit complicated in the beginning but I am sure
> > > we
> > > will all get used to it :)
> > > 
> > > -Michael
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 15:10 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > Hallo Maurice,
> > > > ich antworte einfach mal in Deutsch. Englisch kann ich gut lesen und
> > > verstehen
> > > > aber schreibe es nicht so gern.
> > > >
> > > > Im Moment baut die Seite ja auf Bootstrap auf, wird das nicht
> > > überflüssig wenn
> > > > du sowohl Grid als auch Pattern Library aufbaust?
> > > > In wie weit wir die Pattern Library über alle Projekte teilen sollten
> > > wir
> > > > sehen wenn die Webseite steht, da die im Moment Priorität hat.
> > > >
> > > > Freu mich auf die Zusammenarbeit.
> > > >
> > > > Grüße,
> > > > Sven
> > > >
> > > > > On 14 Mar 2017, at 14:25, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't worry about the delay :)
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I can remember I didn't created responsive versions of the
> > > IPFire
> > > > > Website. It makes sense that these are at least almost done before
> > > Sven
> > > > > starts with coding. I don't want that Sven has to guess the font
> > > sizes,
> > > > > paddings, margins, line-height and so on. That's not his job :) So
> > > please
> > > > > stay tuned for a proper handover. I'm sure that will help Sven a lot.
> > > > >
> > > > > @Sven
> > > > > Hey Sven, nice to meet you :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I just want to give some information beforehand. You may already know
> > > that
> > > > > but I just want to get sure that we are both on the same level.
> > > > >
> > > > > My designs and layouts are based on a 8x8px grid (4x4px fallback) and
> > > are
> > > > > Atomic Design driven. Touch Targets are at least 48x48px. In some edge
> > > cases
> > > > > there might be less. Means that you will never see a "margin: 50px"
> > > because
> > > > > 50 is not dividable by 8 or 4. I would very appreciate if you could
> > > consider
> > > > > that within your code. That method provides a great support to follow
> > > a
> > > > > consistent line. I'm pretty sure that I'll provide all designs via
> > > > > zeplin.io. From that tool you will get (almost) every information you
> > > need.
> > > > > Margins, paddings, colors, font size, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also I'm a big fan of Pattern Libraries. At least when it comes to the
> > > > > IPFire WUI there will be a lot of pattern usage to save time on your
> > > side.
> > > > >
> > > > > My strong guess is that it would make sense to have different Pattern
> > > > > Libraries for the Website/FireInfo and WUI. But that is totally up to
> > > you
> > > > > how to deal with that :) I think you already saw the first designs for
> > > the
> > > > > WUI?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope that doesn't sound like an arrogant Designer. Believe me that one
> > > of my
> > > > > most important goals is to make the DEVs life as comfortable as
> > > possible by
> > > > > providing well prepared handovers. My experience with that is that we
> > > will
> > > > > get a great output and a professional looking UI/Website.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best, M
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire
> > > .org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hello Maurice,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thank you for getting back in touch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 12:58 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Sven and rest of the gang,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I nearly thought that the project has died. I'm glad to see that
> > > this is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > the case. Since it's very long time ago I have to check the old
> > > PSD
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > > within the next days and make sure that you get a good handover.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can only apologise that everything took so long. I would have
> > > liked to
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > this realised quicker but time just didn't allow me to work on it.
> > > Luckily
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > is now on board to help out and together we will get this done now!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps I'll handover the designs via zeplin.io. I've made very
> > > good
> > > > > > > experience with that tool during last year. Please give me some
> > > days for
> > > > > > > preparing since I'm very busy right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So where have we stopped? As far as I can see the designs for the
> > > index
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > features page are done. Is there anything I forgot?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think what Sven mainly needs is the background images that you
> > > used and
> > > > > > so on.
> > > > > > I am quite sure this doesn't need to be PSD in particular.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If required we can have a conference call with everyone, but I am
> > > not sure
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > there are any big questions that we cannot discuss on the list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks and best regards,
> > > > > > > Maurice
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)i
> > > pfire.
> > > > > > org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to send emails to the list, you just need to email to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   ipfire-artwork(a)lists.ipfire.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I copied Maurice to your request and we will wait until he
> > > replies.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 19:51 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > can you please send me the PSD files from the new layout
> > > (Homepage
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > Featurepage)?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > 
> 

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Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage

[Michael Tremer]

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Hi,

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 18:53 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> I've copied the current Homepage design from Photoshop to Sketch to
> speed up in the future. Same with the styleguide/pattern library.

Cool. Can we access that in some way? The Dropbox thing has vanished,
too and I had someone working on the Captive Portal which we don't have
a copy of.

> Next step is to design the key viewports for the homepage. Already
> started with that. I'm pretty busy in the evenings with private stuff
> like home improvements and annoying things which needs to be done.
> 
> Furthermore I had the idea to create a Slack channel for a more
> comfortable collaboration with Sven. Discuss and share stuff very
> easily and fast. I have very good experience with that tool during
> the last ~2 years.
> 
> What do you think Michael, would you sign up and create a IPFire
> Slack channel? The free basic version is totally enough.

I am very much against Slack. There are two main reasons:

a) It is proprietary. We cannot rely on this being free for forever and
I do not want to force anyone to sign up for something in order to
communicate with people.

b) We cannot archive it. The big advantage of a mailing list is that we
have an archive of all messages that everyone can access from
everywhere.

That's why I would like to keep the main conversation on this list if
possible. For some work it makes more sense to do some instant
messaging or use a phone.

For that we do have our own Jabber server and a SIP VoIP server that
you can even call from your landline (this might be quite handy since
you two are in different countries):

  http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/community/talk.ipfire.org/start

I hope this makes up for Slack. But if you have any other reasons I
forgot to convince me, feel free to do so :)

Best,
-Michael

> 
> Best,
> Maurice
> 
> Am 22.03.2017 6:24 nachm. schrieb "Michael Tremer" <michael.tremer(a)ip
> fire.org>:
> > Hello guys,
> > 
> > just wanted to check in on you and see how things are going since
> > it has gone a
> > little bit quiet here.
> > 
> > I am traveling over the next days again, but in case there is
> > anything I can
> > help out with, please send me an email.
> > 
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> > 
> > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > Hey Maurice,
> > > no problem.
> > > I will do it with the variables: https://getbootstrap.com/css/#gr
> > id-less so we
> > > have complete control.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Sven
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:37, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)gmail.c
> > om> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Sven,
> > > >
> > > > do you think we can do a tiny customization at Bootstrap 4's
> > column grid
> > > > system? Just 24px gutter width instead of 30px? I found a short
> > guide for
> > > > that. Seems pretty easy.
> > > >
> > > > http://arnique.net/web-design/58/a-quick-guide-to-changing-boot
> > straps-gutter
> > > > -width/
> > > >
> > > > From my point of view it looks like you just need to change
> > this:
> > > >
> > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > >   padding-right: 15px;
> > > > >   padding-left: 15px;
> > > > > }
> > > > > .row {
> > > > >   margin-right: -15px;
> > > > >   margin-left: -15px;
> > > > > }  
> > > >  
> > > > to this:
> > > >
> > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > >   padding-right: 12px;
> > > > >   padding-left: 12px;
> > > > > }
> > > > > .row {
> > > > >   margin-right: -12px;
> > > > >   margin-left: -12px;
> > > > > }
> > > >
> > > > That would help me to follow consistent UI metrics.
> > > >
> > > > Best, Maurice
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer
> > @ipfire.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > It would be nice to keep the conversation in English since
> > there are
> > > > > people
> > > > > reading our mailing lists who don't speak German.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know it might be a little bit complicated in the beginning
> > but I am sure
> > > > > we
> > > > > will all get used to it :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 15:10 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > Hallo Maurice,
> > > > > > ich antworte einfach mal in Deutsch. Englisch kann ich gut
> > lesen und
> > > > > verstehen
> > > > > > aber schreibe es nicht so gern.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Im Moment baut die Seite ja auf Bootstrap auf, wird das
> > nicht
> > > > > überflüssig wenn
> > > > > > du sowohl Grid als auch Pattern Library aufbaust?
> > > > > > In wie weit wir die Pattern Library über alle Projekte
> > teilen sollten
> > > > > wir
> > > > > > sehen wenn die Webseite steht, da die im Moment Priorität
> > hat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Freu mich auf die Zusammenarbeit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grüße,
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 14 Mar 2017, at 14:25, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)g
> > mail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't worry about the delay :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as I can remember I didn't created responsive
> > versions of the
> > > > > IPFire
> > > > > > > Website. It makes sense that these are at least almost
> > done before
> > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > starts with coding. I don't want that Sven has to guess
> > the font
> > > > > sizes,
> > > > > > > paddings, margins, line-height and so on. That's not his
> > job :) So
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > stay tuned for a proper handover. I'm sure that will help
> > Sven a lot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > @Sven
> > > > > > > Hey Sven, nice to meet you :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just want to give some information beforehand. You may
> > already know
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > but I just want to get sure that we are both on the same
> > level.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My designs and layouts are based on a 8x8px grid (4x4px
> > fallback) and
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > Atomic Design driven. Touch Targets are at least 48x48px.
> > In some edge
> > > > > cases
> > > > > > > there might be less. Means that you will never see a
> > "margin: 50px"
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > 50 is not dividable by 8 or 4. I would very appreciate if
> > you could
> > > > > consider
> > > > > > > that within your code. That method provides a great
> > support to follow
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > consistent line. I'm pretty sure that I'll provide all
> > designs via
> > > > > > > zeplin.io. From that tool you will get (almost) every
> > information you
> > > > > need.
> > > > > > > Margins, paddings, colors, font size, etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also I'm a big fan of Pattern Libraries. At least when it
> > comes to the
> > > > > > > IPFire WUI there will be a lot of pattern usage to save
> > time on your
> > > > > side.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My strong guess is that it would make sense to have
> > different Pattern
> > > > > > > Libraries for the Website/FireInfo and WUI. But that is
> > totally up to
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > how to deal with that :) I think you already saw the
> > first designs for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > WUI?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope that doesn't sound like an arrogant Designer.
> > Believe me that one
> > > > > of my
> > > > > > > most important goals is to make the DEVs life as
> > comfortable as
> > > > > possible by
> > > > > > > providing well prepared handovers. My experience with
> > that is that we
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > get a great output and a professional looking UI/Website.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best, M
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.
> > tremer(a)ipfire
> > > > > .org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello Maurice,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thank you for getting back in touch.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 12:58 +0100, Maurice Gesswein
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Sven and rest of the gang,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I nearly thought that the project has died. I'm glad
> > to see that
> > > > > this is
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > the case. Since it's very long time ago I have to
> > check the old
> > > > > PSD
> > > > > > > > files
> > > > > > > > > within the next days and make sure that you get a
> > good handover.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can only apologise that everything took so long. I
> > would have
> > > > > liked to
> > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > this realised quicker but time just didn't allow me to
> > work on it.
> > > > > Luckily
> > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > is now on board to help out and together we will get
> > this done now!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'll handover the designs via zeplin.io. I've
> > made very
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > experience with that tool during last year. Please
> > give me some
> > > > > days for
> > > > > > > > > preparing since I'm very busy right now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So where have we stopped? As far as I can see the
> > designs for the
> > > > > index
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > features page are done. Is there anything I forgot?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think what Sven mainly needs is the background images
> > that you
> > > > > used and
> > > > > > > > so on.
> > > > > > > > I am quite sure this doesn't need to be PSD in
> > particular.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If required we can have a conference call with
> > everyone, but I am
> > > > > not sure
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > there are any big questions that we cannot discuss on
> > the list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards,
> > > > > > > > > Maurice
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Michael Tremer <mic
> > hael.tremer(a)i
> > > > > pfire.
> > > > > > > > org>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > to send emails to the list, you just need to email
> > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   ipfire-artwork(a)lists.ipfire.org
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I copied Maurice to your request and we will wait
> > until he
> > > > > replies.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 19:51 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > can you please send me the PSD files from the new
> > layout
> > > > > (Homepage
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > Featurepage)?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 

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Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage

[Michael Tremer]

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Hi,

On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 18:01 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> At this stage it doesn't make sense to share the uncompleted stuff.
> It would cause a lot of questions which will not appear when I
> provide the complete set of viewports. You already know the final
> designs. I didn't change anything. Please give me the time to provide
> a professional handover to Sven. Otherwise it will become messy,
> believe me ;) I'm sorry that it takes some time. I'll publish the
> designs asap via Zeplin.

I didn't intend to put any pressure on at all. I just care about
everyone being happy and not getting stuck :)

> I'll prepare the captive portal designs as well.

Okay!

> Regarding Slack:
> Valid points against it. I agree. Jabber should do the trick as well.
> Not that comfortable but fine for me.
> 
> Best,
> Maurice

-Michael

> 
> Am 24.03.2017 2:29 nachm. schrieb "Daniel Weismüller" <daniel.weismue
> ller(a)ipfire.org>:
> > Hi 
> > Here are some infos about our jabber server.
> > http://planet.ipfire.org/post/opening-the-ipfire-jabber-server
> > or look here
> > http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/community/talk.ipfire.org/start
> > Weekdays I'm on there and mostly Michael, too.
> > -
> > Daniel
> > Am 24.03.2017 um 13:18 schrieb Sven:
> > > Hello,
> > > there are Open-Source Alternatives to Slack for example: https://
> > > about.mattermost.com
> > > I have nothing against this mailing list but when you have a
> > > longer conversation I think that it becomes a little bit hard to
> > > read, and for a conversation over the phone we don’t have enough
> > > to discuss (at the moment) :-D
> > > But IM with Jabber is fine for me.
> > > 
> > > Greetings,
> > > Sven
> > > 
> > > > Am 24.03.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)i
> > > > pfire.org>:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 18:53 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > I've copied the current Homepage design from Photoshop to
> > > > > Sketch to
> > > > > speed up in the future. Same with the styleguide/pattern
> > > > > library.
> > > >  
> > > > Cool. Can we access that in some way? The Dropbox thing has
> > > > vanished,
> > > > too and I had someone working on the Captive Portal which we
> > > > don't have
> > > > a copy of.
> > > > 
> > > > > Next step is to design the key viewports for the homepage.
> > > > > Already
> > > > > started with that. I'm pretty busy in the evenings with
> > > > > private stuff
> > > > > like home improvements and annoying things which needs to be
> > > > > done.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Furthermore I had the idea to create a Slack channel for a
> > > > > more
> > > > > comfortable collaboration with Sven. Discuss and share stuff
> > > > > very
> > > > > easily and fast. I have very good experience with that tool
> > > > > during
> > > > > the last ~2 years.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What do you think Michael, would you sign up and create a
> > > > > IPFire
> > > > > Slack channel? The free basic version is totally enough.
> > > >  
> > > > I am very much against Slack. There are two main reasons:
> > > > 
> > > > a) It is proprietary. We cannot rely on this being free for
> > > > forever and
> > > > I do not want to force anyone to sign up for something in order
> > > > to
> > > > communicate with people.
> > > > 
> > > > b) We cannot archive it. The big advantage of a mailing list is
> > > > that we
> > > > have an archive of all messages that everyone can access from
> > > > everywhere.
> > > > 
> > > > That's why I would like to keep the main conversation on this
> > > > list if
> > > > possible. For some work it makes more sense to do some instant
> > > > messaging or use a phone.
> > > > 
> > > > For that we do have our own Jabber server and a SIP VoIP server
> > > > that
> > > > you can even call from your landline (this might be quite handy
> > > > since
> > > > you two are in different countries):
> > > > 
> > > >  http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/community/talk.ipfire.org/start
> > > > 
> > > > I hope this makes up for Slack. But if you have any other
> > > > reasons I
> > > > forgot to convince me, feel free to do so :)
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > -Michael
> > > > 
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Maurice
> > > > > 
> > > > > Am 22.03.2017 6:24 nachm. schrieb "Michael Tremer" <michael.t
> > > > > remer(a)ip
> > > > > fire.org>:
> > > > > > Hello guys,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > just wanted to check in on you and see how things are going
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > it has gone a
> > > > > > little bit quiet here.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am traveling over the next days again, but in case there
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > anything I can
> > > > > > help out with, please send me an email.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Maurice,
> > > > > > > no problem.
> > > > > > > I will do it with the variables: https://getbootstrap.com
> > > > > > > /css/#gr
> > > > > >  id-less so we
> > > > > > > have complete control.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:37, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung
> > > > > > > > @gmail.c
> > > > > >  om> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hey Sven,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > do you think we can do a tiny customization at
> > > > > > > > Bootstrap 4's
> > > > > >  column grid
> > > > > > > > system? Just 24px gutter width instead of 30px? I found
> > > > > > > > a short
> > > > > >  guide for
> > > > > > > > that. Seems pretty easy.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://arnique.net/web-design/58/a-quick-guide-to-chang
> > > > > > > > ing-boot
> > > > > >  straps-gutter
> > > > > > > > -width/
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > From my point of view it looks like you just need to
> > > > > > > > change
> > > > > >  this:
> > > > > > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > > > > > >   padding-right: 15px;
> > > > > > > > >   padding-left: 15px;
> > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > .row {
> > > > > > > > >   margin-right: -15px;
> > > > > > > > >   margin-left: -15px;
> > > > > > > > > }  
> > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > to this:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > > > > > >   padding-right: 12px;
> > > > > > > > >   padding-left: 12px;
> > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > .row {
> > > > > > > > >   margin-right: -12px;
> > > > > > > > >   margin-left: -12px;
> > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > That would help me to follow consistent UI metrics.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Best, Maurice
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael Tremer
> > > > > > > > <michael.tremer
> > > > > >  @ipfire.org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > It would be nice to keep the conversation in English
> > > > > > > > > since
> > > > > >  there are
> > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > reading our mailing lists who don't speak German.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I know it might be a little bit complicated in the
> > > > > > > > > beginning
> > > > > >  but I am sure
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > will all get used to it :)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 15:10 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hallo Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > ich antworte einfach mal in Deutsch. Englisch kann
> > > > > > > > > > ich gut
> > > > > >  lesen und
> > > > > > > > > verstehen
> > > > > > > > > > aber schreibe es nicht so gern.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Im Moment baut die Seite ja auf Bootstrap auf, wird
> > > > > > > > > > das
> > > > > >  nicht
> > > > > > > > > überflüssig wenn
> > > > > > > > > > du sowohl Grid als auch Pattern Library aufbaust?
> > > > > > > > > > In wie weit wir die Pattern Library über alle
> > > > > > > > > > Projekte
> > > > > >  teilen sollten
> > > > > > > > > wir
> > > > > > > > > > sehen wenn die Webseite steht, da die im Moment
> > > > > > > > > > Priorität
> > > > > >  hat.
> > > > > > > > > > Freu mich auf die Zusammenarbeit.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Grüße,
> > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Mar 2017, at 14:25, Maurice Gesswein <zerpi
> > > > > > > > > > > xelung(a)g
> > > > > >  mail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about the delay :)
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > As far as I can remember I didn't created
> > > > > > > > > > > responsive
> > > > > >  versions of the
> > > > > > > > > IPFire
> > > > > > > > > > > Website. It makes sense that these are at least
> > > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > >  done before
> > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > starts with coding. I don't want that Sven has to
> > > > > > > > > > > guess
> > > > > >  the font
> > > > > > > > > sizes,
> > > > > > > > > > > paddings, margins, line-height and so on. That's
> > > > > > > > > > > not his
> > > > > >  job :) So
> > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > stay tuned for a proper handover. I'm sure that
> > > > > > > > > > > will help
> > > > > >  Sven a lot.
> > > > > > > > > > > @Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > Hey Sven, nice to meet you :)
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > I just want to give some information beforehand.
> > > > > > > > > > > You may
> > > > > >  already know
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > but I just want to get sure that we are both on
> > > > > > > > > > > the same
> > > > > >  level.
> > > > > > > > > > > My designs and layouts are based on a 8x8px grid
> > > > > > > > > > > (4x4px
> > > > > >  fallback) and
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > Atomic Design driven. Touch Targets are at least
> > > > > > > > > > > 48x48px.
> > > > > >  In some edge
> > > > > > > > > cases
> > > > > > > > > > > there might be less. Means that you will never
> > > > > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > >  "margin: 50px"
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > 50 is not dividable by 8 or 4. I would very
> > > > > > > > > > > appreciate if
> > > > > >  you could
> > > > > > > > > consider
> > > > > > > > > > > that within your code. That method provides a
> > > > > > > > > > > great
> > > > > >  support to follow
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > consistent line. I'm pretty sure that I'll
> > > > > > > > > > > provide all
> > > > > >  designs via
> > > > > > > > > > > zeplin.io. From that tool you will get (almost)
> > > > > > > > > > > every
> > > > > >  information you
> > > > > > > > > need.
> > > > > > > > > > > Margins, paddings, colors, font size, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Also I'm a big fan of Pattern Libraries. At least
> > > > > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > >  comes to the
> > > > > > > > > > > IPFire WUI there will be a lot of pattern usage
> > > > > > > > > > > to save
> > > > > >  time on your
> > > > > > > > > side.
> > > > > > > > > > > My strong guess is that it would make sense to
> > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > >  different Pattern
> > > > > > > > > > > Libraries for the Website/FireInfo and WUI. But
> > > > > > > > > > > that is
> > > > > >  totally up to
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > how to deal with that :) I think you already saw
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > >  first designs for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > WUI?
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Hope that doesn't sound like an arrogant
> > > > > > > > > > > Designer.
> > > > > >  Believe me that one
> > > > > > > > > of my
> > > > > > > > > > > most important goals is to make the DEVs life as
> > > > > >  comfortable as
> > > > > > > > > possible by
> > > > > > > > > > > providing well prepared handovers. My experience
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > >  that is that we
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > get a great output and a professional looking
> > > > > > > > > > > UI/Website.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions or
> > > > > > > > > > > concerns.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Best, M
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Michael Tremer
> > > > > > > > > > > <michael.
> > > > > >  tremer(a)ipfire
> > > > > > > > > .org>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for getting back in touch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 12:58 +0100, Maurice
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gesswein
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sven and rest of the gang,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I nearly thought that the project has died.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad
> > > > > >  to see that
> > > > > > > > > this is
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the case. Since it's very long time ago I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > >  check the old
> > > > > > > > > PSD
> > > > > > > > > > > > files
> > > > > > > > > > > > > within the next days and make sure that you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > get a
> > > > > >  good handover.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I can only apologise that everything took so
> > > > > > > > > > > > long. I
> > > > > >  would have
> > > > > > > > > liked to
> > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > this realised quicker but time just didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > allow me to
> > > > > >  work on it.
> > > > > > > > > Luckily
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > is now on board to help out and together we
> > > > > > > > > > > > will get
> > > > > >  this done now!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'll handover the designs via
> > > > > > > > > > > > > zeplin.io. I've
> > > > > >  made very
> > > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience with that tool during last year.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please
> > > > > >  give me some
> > > > > > > > > days for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > preparing since I'm very busy right now.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > So where have we stopped? As far as I can see
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > >  designs for the
> > > > > > > > > index
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > features page are done. Is there anything I
> > > > > > > > > > > > forgot?
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think what Sven mainly needs is the
> > > > > > > > > > > > background images
> > > > > >  that you
> > > > > > > > > used and
> > > > > > > > > > > > so on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am quite sure this doesn't need to be PSD in
> > > > > >  particular.
> > > > > > > > > > > > If required we can have a conference call with
> > > > > >  everyone, but I am
> > > > > > > > > not sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > there are any big questions that we cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > > discuss on
> > > > > >  the list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tremer <mic
> > > > > >  hael.tremer(a)i
> > > > > > > > > pfire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to send emails to the list, you just need
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to email
> > > > > >  to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   ipfire-artwork(a)lists.ipfire.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I copied Maurice to your request and we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will wait
> > > > > >  until he
> > > > > > > > > replies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 19:51 +0100, Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you please send me the PSD files from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the new
> > > > > >  layout
> > > > > > > > > (Homepage
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Featurepage)?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >   
> >  
> > 

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Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage

[Michael Tremer]

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Hi,

I created my zeplin account. As with slack, I would prefer if we would have a
backup somewhere else where nobody can take everything down when ever they feel
like it.

On Mon, 2017-03-27 at 23:25 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> Hey Sven!
> 
> You were invited :) At some screens I added comments. Make sure to read them
> and feel free to create your own if there are open questions.
> 
> At the "PL - Icons" screen you can download the icons as SVG. The 2 big
> background images as well as the IPFire Tux can be downloaded from here: https
> ://www.dropbox.com/sh/1j3p4f3igjxk2u8/AADDwHKvFIOtOC92EyYR8DJja/Website/Export
> ?dl=0
> I'm aware that the filesize of Tux is a bit high. But we need him bigger for
> Hi-Res/Retina Screens. When I throw him though compressor.io I get pixelated
> flames as output :(

@Sven: Will you check in the images into the git repository with the original
resolution and then make copies that are compressed in what ever way is
necessary?

> At the Styleguide tab you can grap all the used colors. Perhaps it doesn't
> make sense to put the rbga colors inside the global color palette. I had to
> name them because these are single colors for Zeplin.
> 
> As discussed earlier - I used a 24px gap for the grid for every viewport. I
> didn't touch anything else. Within the shared Dropbox folder you find PNGs of
> all 5 key-viewports with the grid as an overlay.
> 
> Let me know if you have any concerns or questions. 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> @Michael
> 
> What should I do next? Bring the Captive Portal into Zeplin or the already
> designed Feature page of the IPFire Website?

Well, Sven is working on the website and me and Sascha are working on the
captive portal. So these are two independent things...

> 
> --
> 
> @All
> 
> All designs which are located in the Zeplin project are also available here as
> PNGs:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1j3p4f3igjxk2u8/AAAmebh2c1ay1t-z4UKrsWBAa?dl=0

Looking great!

-Michael

> 
> Best,
> Maurice
> 
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Sven <sven.hoehn(a)posteo.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > my zeplin.io email is: sven.hoehn(a)ipfire.org
> > 
> > We can try the SVG tinting method.
> > 
> > I installed Adium X, but never see somebody online, so I don’t know if it
> > works.
> > 
> > > On 26 Mar 2017, at 22:06, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > I'm going to release the first website screens and parts of the pattern
> > > lib at Zeplin. Everyone who wants to access the project need a free Zeplin
> > > account which I can invite. Sorry for the inconvenience. Additionally I
> > > can share PNGs of each screen. But you won't able to read comments which
> > > are written within the Zeplin project.
> > > Create a free account at www.zeplin.io
> > > Let me know the email address of your account to invite you to the project
> > > --
> > > 
> > > @Sven
> > > 
> > > Do you have experience with tinting SVG images?
> > > https://css-tricks.com/cascading-svg-fill-color/
> > > 
> > > Would this method work for you? If so we need all icons in only one color
> > > (black).
> > > 
> > > PS: Did you already tried out a Jabber client for MacOS?
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.or
> > > g> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 18:01 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > At this stage it doesn't make sense to share the uncompleted stuff.
> > > > > It would cause a lot of questions which will not appear when I
> > > > > provide the complete set of viewports. You already know the final
> > > > > designs. I didn't change anything. Please give me the time to provide
> > > > > a professional handover to Sven. Otherwise it will become messy,
> > > > > believe me ;) I'm sorry that it takes some time. I'll publish the
> > > > > designs asap via Zeplin.
> > > > 
> > > > I didn't intend to put any pressure on at all. I just care about
> > > > everyone being happy and not getting stuck :)
> > > > 
> > > > > I'll prepare the captive portal designs as well.
> > > > 
> > > > Okay!
> > > > 
> > > > > Regarding Slack:
> > > > > Valid points against it. I agree. Jabber should do the trick as well.
> > > > > Not that comfortable but fine for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Maurice
> > > > 
> > > > -Michael
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Am 24.03.2017 2:29 nachm. schrieb "Daniel Weismüller" <daniel.weismue
> > > > > ller(a)ipfire.org>:
> > > > > > Hi 
> > > > > > Here are some infos about our jabber server.
> > > > > > http://planet.ipfire.org/post/opening-the-ipfire-jabber-server
> > > > > > or look here
> > > > > > http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/community/talk.ipfire.org/start
> > > > > > Weekdays I'm on there and mostly Michael, too.
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > > Am 24.03.2017 um 13:18 schrieb Sven:
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > there are Open-Source Alternatives to Slack for example: https://
> > > > > > > about.mattermost.com
> > > > > > > I have nothing against this mailing list but when you have a
> > > > > > > longer conversation I think that it becomes a little bit hard to
> > > > > > > read, and for a conversation over the phone we don’t have enough
> > > > > > > to discuss (at the moment) :-D
> > > > > > > But IM with Jabber is fine for me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Am 24.03.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)i
> > > > > > > > pfire.org>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 18:53 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I've copied the current Homepage design from Photoshop to
> > > > > > > > > Sketch to
> > > > > > > > > speed up in the future. Same with the styleguide/pattern
> > > > > > > > > library.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Cool. Can we access that in some way? The Dropbox thing has
> > > > > > > > vanished,
> > > > > > > > too and I had someone working on the Captive Portal which we
> > > > > > > > don't have
> > > > > > > > a copy of.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Next step is to design the key viewports for the homepage.
> > > > > > > > > Already
> > > > > > > > > started with that. I'm pretty busy in the evenings with
> > > > > > > > > private stuff
> > > > > > > > > like home improvements and annoying things which needs to be
> > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Furthermore I had the idea to create a Slack channel for a
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > comfortable collaboration with Sven. Discuss and share stuff
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > easily and fast. I have very good experience with that tool
> > > > > > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > the last ~2 years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What do you think Michael, would you sign up and create a
> > > > > > > > > IPFire
> > > > > > > > > Slack channel? The free basic version is totally enough.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > I am very much against Slack. There are two main reasons:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a) It is proprietary. We cannot rely on this being free for
> > > > > > > > forever and
> > > > > > > > I do not want to force anyone to sign up for something in order
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > communicate with people.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > b) We cannot archive it. The big advantage of a mailing list is
> > > > > > > > that we
> > > > > > > > have an archive of all messages that everyone can access from
> > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's why I would like to keep the main conversation on this
> > > > > > > > list if
> > > > > > > > possible. For some work it makes more sense to do some instant
> > > > > > > > messaging or use a phone.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For that we do have our own Jabber server and a SIP VoIP server
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > you can even call from your landline (this might be quite handy
> > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > you two are in different countries):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/community/talk.ipfire.org/start
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope this makes up for Slack. But if you have any other
> > > > > > > > reasons I
> > > > > > > > forgot to convince me, feel free to do so :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > Maurice
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Am 22.03.2017 6:24 nachm. schrieb "Michael Tremer" <michael.t
> > > > > > > > > remer(a)ip
> > > > > > > > > fire.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello guys,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > just wanted to check in on you and see how things are going
> > > > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > > > it has gone a
> > > > > > > > > > little bit quiet here.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am traveling over the next days again, but in case there
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > anything I can
> > > > > > > > > > help out with, please send me an email.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hey Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > no problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > I will do it with the variables: https://getbootstrap.com
> > > > > > > > > > > /css/#gr
> > > > > > > > > >  id-less so we
> > > > > > > > > > > have complete control.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:37, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung
> > > > > > > > > > > > @gmail.c
> > > > > > > > > >  om> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Sven,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > do you think we can do a tiny customization at
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bootstrap 4's
> > > > > > > > > >  column grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > system? Just 24px gutter width instead of 30px? I found
> > > > > > > > > > > > a short
> > > > > > > > > >  guide for
> > > > > > > > > > > > that. Seems pretty easy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://arnique.net/web-design/58/a-quick-guide-to-chang
> > > > > > > > > > > > ing-boot
> > > > > > > > > >  straps-gutter
> > > > > > > > > > > > -width/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From my point of view it looks like you just need to
> > > > > > > > > > > > change
> > > > > > > > > >  this:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   padding-right: 15px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   padding-left: 15px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .row {
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   margin-right: -15px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   margin-left: -15px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > }  
> > > > > > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > > > > > to this:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   padding-right: 12px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   padding-left: 12px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .row {
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   margin-right: -12px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   margin-left: -12px;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > That would help me to follow consistent UI metrics.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best, Maurice
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael Tremer
> > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.tremer
> > > > > > > > > >  @ipfire.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be nice to keep the conversation in English
> > > > > > > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > > >  there are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reading our mailing lists who don't speak German.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it might be a little bit complicated in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > >  but I am sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will all get used to it :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 15:10 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hallo Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ich antworte einfach mal in Deutsch. Englisch kann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ich gut
> > > > > > > > > >  lesen und
> > > > > > > > > > > > > verstehen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aber schreibe es nicht so gern.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im Moment baut die Seite ja auf Bootstrap auf, wird
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > das
> > > > > > > > > >  nicht
> > > > > > > > > > > > > überflüssig wenn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > du sowohl Grid als auch Pattern Library aufbaust?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In wie weit wir die Pattern Library über alle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Projekte
> > > > > > > > > >  teilen sollten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sehen wenn die Webseite steht, da die im Moment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priorität
> > > > > > > > > >  hat.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freu mich auf die Zusammenarbeit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grüße,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Mar 2017, at 14:25, Maurice Gesswein <zerpi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xelung(a)g
> > > > > > > > > >  mail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about the delay :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I can remember I didn't created
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsive
> > > > > > > > > >  versions of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > IPFire
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Website. It makes sense that these are at least
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > >  done before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts with coding. I don't want that Sven has to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > > > >  the font
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sizes,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paddings, margins, line-height and so on. That's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not his
> > > > > > > > > >  job :) So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay tuned for a proper handover. I'm sure that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will help
> > > > > > > > > >  Sven a lot.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Sven, nice to meet you :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just want to give some information beforehand.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may
> > > > > > > > > >  already know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I just want to get sure that we are both on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same
> > > > > > > > > >  level.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My designs and layouts are based on a 8x8px grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4x4px
> > > > > > > > > >  fallback) and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atomic Design driven. Touch Targets are at least
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 48x48px.
> > > > > > > > > >  In some edge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there might be less. Means that you will never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > >  "margin: 50px"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 50 is not dividable by 8 or 4. I would very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate if
> > > > > > > > > >  you could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > consider
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that within your code. That method provides a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > > >  support to follow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent line. I'm pretty sure that I'll
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide all
> > > > > > > > > >  designs via
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zeplin.io. From that tool you will get (almost)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > >  information you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > need.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Margins, paddings, colors, font size, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I'm a big fan of Pattern Libraries. At least
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > > >  comes to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IPFire WUI there will be a lot of pattern usage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to save
> > > > > > > > > >  time on your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > side.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My strong guess is that it would make sense to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > >  different Pattern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libraries for the Website/FireInfo and WUI. But
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is
> > > > > > > > > >  totally up to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how to deal with that :) I think you already saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  first designs for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WUI?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that doesn't sound like an arrogant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Designer.
> > > > > > > > > >  Believe me that one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most important goals is to make the DEVs life as
> > > > > > > > > >  comfortable as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > possible by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > providing well prepared handovers. My experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  that is that we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a great output and a professional looking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UI/Website.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerns.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, M
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Michael Tremer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.
> > > > > > > > > >  tremer(a)ipfire
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for getting back in touch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 12:58 +0100, Maurice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gesswein
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sven and rest of the gang,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I nearly thought that the project has died.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad
> > > > > > > > > >  to see that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the case. Since it's very long time ago I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > >  check the old
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PSD
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > files
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the next days and make sure that you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a
> > > > > > > > > >  good handover.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only apologise that everything took so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long. I
> > > > > > > > > >  would have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > liked to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this realised quicker but time just didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow me to
> > > > > > > > > >  work on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Luckily
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is now on board to help out and together we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get
> > > > > > > > > >  this done now!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'll handover the designs via
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zeplin.io. I've
> > > > > > > > > >  made very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience with that tool during last year.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please
> > > > > > > > > >  give me some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > days for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preparing since I'm very busy right now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So where have we stopped? As far as I can see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  designs for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > index
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features page are done. Is there anything I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgot?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what Sven mainly needs is the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > background images
> > > > > > > > > >  that you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > used and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am quite sure this doesn't need to be PSD in
> > > > > > > > > >  particular.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If required we can have a conference call with
> > > > > > > > > >  everyone, but I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are any big questions that we cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss on
> > > > > > > > > >  the list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tremer <mic
> > > > > > > > > >  hael.tremer(a)i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > pfire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to send emails to the list, you just need
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to email
> > > > > > > > > >  to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   ipfire-artwork(a)lists.ipfire.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I copied Maurice to your request and we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will wait
> > > > > > > > > >  until he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > replies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 19:51 +0100, Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you please send me the PSD files from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the new
> > > > > > > > > >  layout
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Homepage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Featurepage)?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >   
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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