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From: Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.org>
To: ipfire-artwork@lists.ipfire.org
Subject: Re: [IPFire Artwork] PSD from new Homepage
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:57:40 +0100
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Hi,

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 18:53 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> I've copied the current Homepage design from Photoshop to Sketch to
> speed up in the future. Same with the styleguide/pattern library.

Cool. Can we access that in some way? The Dropbox thing has vanished,
too and I had someone working on the Captive Portal which we don't have
a copy of.

> Next step is to design the key viewports for the homepage. Already
> started with that. I'm pretty busy in the evenings with private stuff
> like home improvements and annoying things which needs to be done.
> 
> Furthermore I had the idea to create a Slack channel for a more
> comfortable collaboration with Sven. Discuss and share stuff very
> easily and fast. I have very good experience with that tool during
> the last ~2 years.
> 
> What do you think Michael, would you sign up and create a IPFire
> Slack channel? The free basic version is totally enough.

I am very much against Slack. There are two main reasons:

a) It is proprietary. We cannot rely on this being free for forever and
I do not want to force anyone to sign up for something in order to
communicate with people.

b) We cannot archive it. The big advantage of a mailing list is that we
have an archive of all messages that everyone can access from
everywhere.

That's why I would like to keep the main conversation on this list if
possible. For some work it makes more sense to do some instant
messaging or use a phone.

For that we do have our own Jabber server and a SIP VoIP server that
you can even call from your landline (this might be quite handy since
you two are in different countries):

  http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/community/talk.ipfire.org/start

I hope this makes up for Slack. But if you have any other reasons I
forgot to convince me, feel free to do so :)

Best,
-Michael

> 
> Best,
> Maurice
> 
> Am 22.03.2017 6:24 nachm. schrieb "Michael Tremer" <michael.tremer(a)ip
> fire.org>:
> > Hello guys,
> > 
> > just wanted to check in on you and see how things are going since
> > it has gone a
> > little bit quiet here.
> > 
> > I am traveling over the next days again, but in case there is
> > anything I can
> > help out with, please send me an email.
> > 
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> > 
> > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > Hey Maurice,
> > > no problem.
> > > I will do it with the variables: https://getbootstrap.com/css/#gr
> > id-less so we
> > > have complete control.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Sven
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:37, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)gmail.c
> > om> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Sven,
> > > >
> > > > do you think we can do a tiny customization at Bootstrap 4's
> > column grid
> > > > system? Just 24px gutter width instead of 30px? I found a short
> > guide for
> > > > that. Seems pretty easy.
> > > >
> > > > http://arnique.net/web-design/58/a-quick-guide-to-changing-boot
> > straps-gutter
> > > > -width/
> > > >
> > > > From my point of view it looks like you just need to change
> > this:
> > > >
> > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > >   padding-right: 15px;
> > > > >   padding-left: 15px;
> > > > > }
> > > > > .row {
> > > > >   margin-right: -15px;
> > > > >   margin-left: -15px;
> > > > > }  
> > > >  
> > > > to this:
> > > >
> > > > > .col-xs-1, .col-sm-1, .col-md-1 ...{more columns} {
> > > > >   padding-right: 12px;
> > > > >   padding-left: 12px;
> > > > > }
> > > > > .row {
> > > > >   margin-right: -12px;
> > > > >   margin-left: -12px;
> > > > > }
> > > >
> > > > That would help me to follow consistent UI metrics.
> > > >
> > > > Best, Maurice
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer
> > @ipfire.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > It would be nice to keep the conversation in English since
> > there are
> > > > > people
> > > > > reading our mailing lists who don't speak German.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know it might be a little bit complicated in the beginning
> > but I am sure
> > > > > we
> > > > > will all get used to it :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 15:10 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > Hallo Maurice,
> > > > > > ich antworte einfach mal in Deutsch. Englisch kann ich gut
> > lesen und
> > > > > verstehen
> > > > > > aber schreibe es nicht so gern.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Im Moment baut die Seite ja auf Bootstrap auf, wird das
> > nicht
> > > > > überflüssig wenn
> > > > > > du sowohl Grid als auch Pattern Library aufbaust?
> > > > > > In wie weit wir die Pattern Library über alle Projekte
> > teilen sollten
> > > > > wir
> > > > > > sehen wenn die Webseite steht, da die im Moment Priorität
> > hat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Freu mich auf die Zusammenarbeit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grüße,
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 14 Mar 2017, at 14:25, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)g
> > mail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't worry about the delay :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as I can remember I didn't created responsive
> > versions of the
> > > > > IPFire
> > > > > > > Website. It makes sense that these are at least almost
> > done before
> > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > starts with coding. I don't want that Sven has to guess
> > the font
> > > > > sizes,
> > > > > > > paddings, margins, line-height and so on. That's not his
> > job :) So
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > stay tuned for a proper handover. I'm sure that will help
> > Sven a lot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > @Sven
> > > > > > > Hey Sven, nice to meet you :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just want to give some information beforehand. You may
> > already know
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > but I just want to get sure that we are both on the same
> > level.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My designs and layouts are based on a 8x8px grid (4x4px
> > fallback) and
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > Atomic Design driven. Touch Targets are at least 48x48px.
> > In some edge
> > > > > cases
> > > > > > > there might be less. Means that you will never see a
> > "margin: 50px"
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > 50 is not dividable by 8 or 4. I would very appreciate if
> > you could
> > > > > consider
> > > > > > > that within your code. That method provides a great
> > support to follow
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > consistent line. I'm pretty sure that I'll provide all
> > designs via
> > > > > > > zeplin.io. From that tool you will get (almost) every
> > information you
> > > > > need.
> > > > > > > Margins, paddings, colors, font size, etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also I'm a big fan of Pattern Libraries. At least when it
> > comes to the
> > > > > > > IPFire WUI there will be a lot of pattern usage to save
> > time on your
> > > > > side.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My strong guess is that it would make sense to have
> > different Pattern
> > > > > > > Libraries for the Website/FireInfo and WUI. But that is
> > totally up to
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > how to deal with that :) I think you already saw the
> > first designs for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > WUI?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope that doesn't sound like an arrogant Designer.
> > Believe me that one
> > > > > of my
> > > > > > > most important goals is to make the DEVs life as
> > comfortable as
> > > > > possible by
> > > > > > > providing well prepared handovers. My experience with
> > that is that we
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > get a great output and a professional looking UI/Website.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best, M
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.
> > tremer(a)ipfire
> > > > > .org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello Maurice,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thank you for getting back in touch.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 12:58 +0100, Maurice Gesswein
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Sven and rest of the gang,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I nearly thought that the project has died. I'm glad
> > to see that
> > > > > this is
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > the case. Since it's very long time ago I have to
> > check the old
> > > > > PSD
> > > > > > > > files
> > > > > > > > > within the next days and make sure that you get a
> > good handover.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can only apologise that everything took so long. I
> > would have
> > > > > liked to
> > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > this realised quicker but time just didn't allow me to
> > work on it.
> > > > > Luckily
> > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > is now on board to help out and together we will get
> > this done now!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'll handover the designs via zeplin.io. I've
> > made very
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > experience with that tool during last year. Please
> > give me some
> > > > > days for
> > > > > > > > > preparing since I'm very busy right now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So where have we stopped? As far as I can see the
> > designs for the
> > > > > index
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > features page are done. Is there anything I forgot?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think what Sven mainly needs is the background images
> > that you
> > > > > used and
> > > > > > > > so on.
> > > > > > > > I am quite sure this doesn't need to be PSD in
> > particular.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If required we can have a conference call with
> > everyone, but I am
> > > > > not sure
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > there are any big questions that we cannot discuss on
> > the list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards,
> > > > > > > > > Maurice
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Michael Tremer <mic
> > hael.tremer(a)i
> > > > > pfire.
> > > > > > > > org>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > to send emails to the list, you just need to email
> > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   ipfire-artwork(a)lists.ipfire.org
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I copied Maurice to your request and we will wait
> > until he
> > > > > replies.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 19:51 +0100, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maurice,
> > > > > > > > > > > can you please send me the PSD files from the new
> > layout
> > > > > (Homepage
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > Featurepage)?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 

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