Hi,

On Wed, 2017-04-12 at 16:10 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'll check out bugzilla and add the open issues there. I used bugzilla ages
> ago :)

It's nice, but it doesn't look too great. Maybe the next big UI/UX project :)

> Other topic:
> I signed up for a small payed freelance job. Deadline is 24.4. Until that date
> I'm not sure if I can continue working on IPFire. After that date I'll of
> course continue :)

No worries. Work comes first of course.

Are the Captive Portal styleguides somewhere? So I can keep pushing on that.

And I am sure that there is enough stuff available for Sven to start working on
the Features page.

-Michael

> 
> Best,
> Maurice
> 
> Am 11.04.2017 4:27 nachm. schrieb "Michael Tremer" <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>
> :
> > Regarding the updated content: I am going to sit down with Daniel as soon as
> > we
> > can. It's Easter now, so maybe we get something done this weekend or the
> > week
> > after.
> > 
> > I mainly want to focus on the texts and working. Maybe make them a little
> > bit
> > shorter and more to the point, but I generally do not plan to change
> > anything
> > that is big enough to change the layout, too. If we do need some changes I
> > won't
> > hesitate to ask, but it is all rather minor stuff that I do have in mind so
> > far.
> > 
> > Regarding the bug tracker:
> > 
> > The category exists already under "Infrastructure".
> > 
> > I created a new umbrella bug which should be used to make other bugs depend
> > on
> > it. That allows us to always have a list of things that need to be dealt
> > with at
> > a glance:
> > 
> >   https://bugzilla.ipfire.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11314
> > 
> > Just create new reports in the same category and type in 11314 into the
> > "Depends
> > on" field.
> > 
> > Bugzilla seems a big ugly and scary in the beginning but it is really
> > powerful
> > :) So give it a chance.
> > 
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> > 
> > On Tue, 2017-04-11 at 14:58 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > Regarding the icons: I would like to use the material design icon rules.
> > With
> > > rules I mean the guidelines to create those icons. E.g. 2px stroke
> > strength.
> > > Reason: it's easy to create custom icons with these rules and the keep a
> > > consistent look. We will need a lot of icons for the WUI.
> > >
> > > Am 11.04.2017 2:47 nachm. schrieb "Sven" <sven.hoehn(a)posteo.de>:
> > > > > On 11. Apr 2017, at 14:43, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. Good job so far Sven. Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I see couple of more minor bugs I would like to fix. Can we please
> > create
> > > > > a to-do list which can be edit and tracked by all involved people?
> > > > > Michael, can you set up something?
> > > >
> > > > If Michael can add a new category for the website in the ipfire
> > bugtracker,
> > > > than we can add the issues there.
> > > >
> > > > > At the moment I design some key viewports for the features page and
> > the
> > > > > captive portal in parallel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael, if you want to implement new copies, images etc. let me know
> > and
> > > > > I can design an additional or replacement for a section of the
> > homepage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Maurice
> > > > >
> > > > > Am 11.04.2017 12:26 nachm. schrieb "Michael Tremer" <michael.tremer(a)ip
> > fire
> > > > > .org>:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so finally I took the time and had a close look at the current
> > version
> > > > > > of the
> > > > > > website and I really really really like it so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it mainly has some sort of soul. The old website was just
> > blank
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > didn't really present things very well. It just delivered the plain
> > > > > > content.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very well done guys.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But this is only the start :) There is more ahead and I am really
> > > > > > looking
> > > > > > forward to present everything to our community soon!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I at the moment don't get from the website when I open it is
> > that
> > > > > > this is
> > > > > > saying "firewall" in any sense. I don't mean just the word but
> > visually
> > > > > > stating
> > > > > > this anywhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is not a big issue for me but at least in the block below we have
> > to
> > > > > > make
> > > > > > this clearer what IPFire actually is. This doesn't have much to do
> > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > design. This is just content.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After a general introduction the reader gets to the latest news!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And then how to support the project and contribute (at least
> > financially
> > > > > > here).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good flow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overall I could not find any issues with the implementation so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The mobile views look good. Most of the stuff that I do not like is
> > > > > > content. We
> > > > > > have to update this a bit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One thing is that the arrow at the bottom of the page that scrolls
> > it
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > becomes invisible when hovering over it. Maybe it should become
> > white
> > > > > > when the
> > > > > > background changes to red?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And in the Wishlist section there is a line that says "86% funded"
> > over
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > headline of the crowd funding name. This is a slightly lighter grey
> > than
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > background and practically invisible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The link to the "Features" page is wrong on the top view. It points
> > to:
> > > > > > http://d
> > > > > > ev.ipfire.org/featues (an r is missing).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding code:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The CSS seems to be quite small (I like that a lot). However, how
> > would
> > > > > > that get
> > > > > > translated from SCSS to CSS? Could you modify the Makefile so that
> > this
> > > > > > is done
> > > > > > automatically when ever something has changed or so? I am not even
> > sure
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > tools are required to build the CSS. Can we document that somehwere,
> > > > > > too?
> > > >
> > > > Small CSS? It has 5385 lines at the moment, is not that small :-) But in
> > the
> > > > live version I will compress the code.
> > > > For the CSS compilation I use a program called Codekit that complies the
> > CSS
> > > > every time I save the document.
> > > > But I will look for something that can do that step on the server.
> > > >
> > > > > > We need to do a spring clean then. Will we continue to use Font
> > Awesome
> > > > > > icons or
> > > > > > the glyphicons? If not, bin them.
> > > >
> > > > Only the icons made by Maurice as svg. No Font Awesome or glyphicons.
> > > >
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I think we are very close to consider the frontpage done. What
> > are
> > > > > > the next
> > > > > > steps?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 2017-04-11 at 07:09 +0200, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > I updated the icons on the site.
> > > > > > > What else is wrong or to change?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 9. Apr 2017, at 14:40, Maurice Gesswein <zerpixelung(a)gmail.co
> > m>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry for the delay. I fixed the slice area for the icons. Sven,
> > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > export all of those again. All of them have now a square size.
> > > > > > Source pixel-
> > > > > > > > size is 24x24px.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sven <sven.hoehn(a)posteo.de>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > there are some strange bugs with flex and webkit. I’m not sure
> > if
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > come from Bootstrap or are real bugs in Webkit, but I think
> > that I
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > workaround them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 7. Apr 2017, at 12:01, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipf
> > ire.
> > > > > > org>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I just updated the dev site.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I will run a job that does this automatically once an hour
> > from
> > > > > > now on.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Icons won't load at the moment... :(
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2017-04-07 at 08:11 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Am 06.04.2017 10:52 nachm. schrieb "Sven" <sven.hoehn(a)poste
> > o.de
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >> @Michael can you please update the files for the dev
> > website
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > >> commit?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I correct a part of the errors written down by Maurice.
> > > > > > > > > >> Also edit the icons but now I have complete control with
> > CSS
> > > > > > but the
> > > > > > > > > sizes are
> > > > > > > > > >> not right, have to check the SVG code for that. (https://fv
> > sch.
> > > > > > com/code
> > > > > > > > > /svg-ic
> > > > > > > > > >> ons/how-to/)
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Seems to be that I was not clear enough, sorry. I provided
> > the
> > > > > > icons in
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> wrong way. I'll send corrected icons at 24x24 this evening.
> > > > > > Just scale
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> existing icons to a square will not work as expected. The
> > > > > > optical
> > > > > > > > > proportions
> > > > > > > > > >> will be lost. Feel free to compare them with the existing
> > ones
> > > > > > and you
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >> see the difference.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On 6. Apr 2017, at 15:19, Sven <sven.hoehn(a)posteo.de>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 6. Apr 2017, at 14:19, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@
> > ipfi
> > > > > > re.org>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> First of all loads of thanks to you two for working on
> > this.
> > > > > > This is
> > > > > > > > > >>>> really
> > > > > > > > > >>>> coming along looking awesome.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> How do we fix the "visual bugs" now?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Good question,
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> I am not really on the same page with what should be
> > finished
> > > > > > now and
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > >>>> not.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Many pages look broken and I assume you just have not
> > been
> > > > > > working on
> > > > > > > > > >>>> these, yet
> > > > > > > > > >>>> :)
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> I didn’t look at any other page except the homepage and to
> > me
> > > > > > it’s not
> > > > > > > > > clear
> > > > > > > > > >>> which page get a complete new layout and which page get
> > only
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > “style-
> > > > > > > > > >>> update”.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> And I have some smaller things that don't seem to look
> > right
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > Firefox.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Is this
> > > > > > > > > >>>> the right time to collect these, yet?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Yes. But let us open a ticket on the bug tracker for the
> > > > > > webpage.
> > > > > > > > > >>> I think that some of the things that don’t look right to
> > you
> > > > > > are the
> > > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > >>> for Maurice.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> @Michael can you create the ticket? I’m not sure in which
> > > > > > category it
> > > > > > > > > goes.
> > > > > > > > > >>> Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> -Michael
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, 2017-04-05 at 23:02 +0200, Maurice Gesswein
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> First output looks very promising for me. Thanks Sven!
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> It seems to be that something went weird with the colors
> > at
> > > > > > Zeplin.
> > > > > > > > > At
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> thumbnails they look good, when you open a screen they
> > > > > > doesn't. Good
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> news: Hex
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> codes are correct! :) I'll figure out what went wrong
> > and
> > > > > > perhaps I
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> found
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> another tool like Zeplin which can be archived by
> > Michael ;p
> > > > > > Stay
> > > > > > > > > tuned,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> still
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> checking the feature set.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Next thing is that Zeplin interprets the properties of
> > e.g.
> > > > > > a font
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> correct but
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> might be unclear for others. Please use the properties
> > ABOVE
> > > > > > the CSS
> > > > > > > > > box
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> as
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> the primary information about the selected element. Than
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > mentioned
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> opacity issue should be clear. The colors should look
> > like
> > > > > > this:
> > > > > > > > > rgba(0,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 0, 0,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 0.6).
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I found several things I would like to fix:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I noticed that I have to build up the Sketch file in a
> > > > > > different way
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> that
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> icons will be exported correct as 24x24px size. At the
> > > > > > moment they
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> cropped. At their proper size of 24x24px it will be a
> > lot
> > > > > > easier to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> align
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> those vertically correct. I'll update the Icon screen
> > asap.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Please recheck all opacity values. A lot of them are not
> > > > > > correct. I
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> guess
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> that's due to the CSS output of Zeplin and how I set up
> > the
> > > > > > Sketch
> > > > > > > > > file.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Use
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> the values which are shown above the CSS box.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Please also recheck the line-heights of each font-style.
> > > > > > Some of
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> has
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> strange values.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Font weight on buttons should be medium/600.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ghost buttons doesn't have dropshadows
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Lots of elements become smaller at <992px width. That
> > should
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> happens.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> It seems to be that the gaps of the grid were not set to
> > > > > > 24px
> > > > > > > > > instead of
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 30px.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Aren't they? If this would cause too much trouble, we
> > can
> > > > > > leave it
> > > > > > > > > as it
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> is.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> It doesn't have a bad impact.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> "Fire" of IPFire in the top navigation is not
> > bold/medium
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> The buttons has lots of different heights. Please set a
> > > > > > fixed height
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 36 for
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> default buttons and 48px for big buttons
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> The touch target area is missing at the default buttons
> > > > > > (48px
> > > > > > > > > height).
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> That's
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> important to provide a good user experience at touch
> > > > > > devices. The
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> clickable
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> area must be big enough that fat finger hits it the
> > first
> > > > > > time ;)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> At viewport <992px the burger icon is not left aligned
> > > > > > anymore. But
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> already said that you doesn't spend much time at the
> > > > > > navigation so
> > > > > > > > > far.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Some more minor issues... But for now it should be
> > enough to
> > > > > > fix :)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Do we want to set up a Trello board for all these and
> > > > > > upcoming
> > > > > > > > > todos?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm also
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> fine by using Git issues for that.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Best,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Maurice
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Sven <sven.hoehn(a)posteo.
> > de>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> and now how we proceed?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Are you writing down a list with all the things to
> > change?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Do we talk so that everybody express what he thinks and
> > > > > > what to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> change?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On 5. Apr 2017, at 19:55, Michael Tremer <michael.trem
> > er(a)i
> > > > > > pfire.or
> > > > > > > > > g>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> it is all up on http://dev.ipfire.org
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> If you want to view fireinfo, just add the "dev" to
> > the
> > > > > > domain.
> > > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> example:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>   http://fireinfo.dev.ipfire.org
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Do the same for planet, wishlist, etc...
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> -Michael
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, 2017-04-05 at 18:11 +0100, Michael Tremer
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 2017-04-04 at 22:18 +0200, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I’m thinkin’ that the coding of the home page has
> > > > > > reached a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> point where
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> we
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> need the site live to discuss.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Great!
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It’s not pixel perfect, the mobile menu is only the
> > > > > > bootstrap
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> version
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> from
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> top
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> down and not from the left like in the mookups, the
> > SCSS
> > > > > > code is
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> still
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> chaotic, the image-scaling dosen’t work like
> > expected
> > > > > > and the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> svg
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> scaling
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> dosen’t work at all in Safari, but it’s good enough
> > to
> > > > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> conversation.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> @Michael it is possible to include html markup
> > between
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> brackets {{
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> _("IPFire") }} for example {{
> > > > > > _(“IP<strong>Fire</strong>") }}
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> No. The translation function escapes all HTML.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> @Maurice I have troubles with the colours, in zeplin
> > for
> > > > > > example
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> background is $blue_grey_900 but with a opacity of
> > 0.6
> > > > > > when I
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> put the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> same
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> values in my css the colour seems darker.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> But its easier to go all of these details when you
> > see
> > > > > > it in
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> your
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> browser.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Greetings,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sven
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Michael
> > > > > > > > > >>
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