From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Tremer To: ipfire-artwork@lists.ipfire.org Subject: Re: [IPFire Artwork] Bootstrap 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:10:39 +0100 Message-ID: <6060f736245ef32862acc63405fa4501597bf26c.camel@ipfire.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0872136581342950907==" List-Id: --===============0872136581342950907== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 01:13 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I started with adding cards to Wekan. Green labels means "Design". Yellow l= abels "Development". Please have a look. There are also updates in Zeplin. "G= rid" and "Navigation". Cool. I changed the width of the grids already. No idea how to close the card or what to do with it after it has been done. > The font thing is also already a card. I'll provide suggestions there. "Kar= la" looks nice (didn't checked the baseline so far), but has a very low set o= f characters :( Or will stay IPFire always EN only? I guess we will at least stay with Latin characters. On lightningwirelabs.com I use a fork of that font that has =C3=A4=C3=B6=C3=BC= =C3=9F and the Euro sign added. It would be nice to have the same font on both websites. You can even drop Ubuntu then if those don't work well together. I am not sure what the thoughts are to select a font :) -Michael > Just found https://fontjoy.com/ to play around with Google Fonts. For the 1= st 2 font types I'm using always Ubuntu. >=20 > Best, > Maurice >=20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Michael Tremer = wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-07-31 at 22:29 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > OK, cool. Thanks for feedback Michael. I want to wait for Sven's feedba= ck > > > before I start with the needed revamps of the BS components. Than I'll = add > > > cards/tickets to Wekan. > > >=20 > > > Michael, one other thing I always forgot. How important is it for you t= o use > > > Ubuntu as the primary copy text? Personally I like the font, but it's b= aseline > > > is not correct vertically centered. If you want e.g. a perfect button y= ou > > > would need to include a small offset. > > > Can we keep Ubuntu for bigger font cases like headlines and the IPFire = logo > > > and use another font (I'll make suggestions for it) for copy text, butt= ons, > > > etc.? > >=20 > > I am not married to it. I liked it and it has served our purpose well. > >=20 > > I played around with Karla for the website which I also quite like becaus= e it is > > an uncomplicated and clean font (I use it for Lightning Wire Labs), but it > > didn't look right for IPFire. Maybe it works when headlines are Ubuntu? > >=20 > > Any suggestions for other fonts? > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Best, > > > Maurice > > >=20 > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:42 PM Michael Tremer > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > >=20 > > > > On Tue, 2018-07-31 at 00:03 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > > > Hey, > > > > >=20 > > > > > > We are all interested in the best possible outcome. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Signed! > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Sven, for which parts of the IPFire Website did you need to overrid= e a lot > > > > of defaults and made the code pretty complex? I assume the following: > > > >=20 > > > > If I may answer some of that being a frontend rookie... > > > >=20 > > > > > Always fullscreen background-image at the top of the page > > > >=20 > > > > That should not be a problem. It is just a little bit conditional when > > > > the background image is shown. It's not on all pages. > > > >=20 > > > > And the odd scaling it does now is something that I fucked up because= I > > > > didn't test enough. > > > >=20 > > > > > Burger menu which slides in from the left > > > >=20 > > > > That is quite a lot of work because the Bootstrap default is coming in > > > > from the top. So either that is changed (and no idea if Bootstrap > > > > allows that, but I will find out), or written from scratch. > > > >=20 > > > > > Left sidebar at the e.g. Features page and Blog > > > >=20 > > > > Bootstrap has something to build on. So that was fine. > > > >=20 > > > > > Especially in smartphone viewport > > > >=20 > > > > The donation page was a little bit more work because content moved > > > > quite far and not only the columns collapsed. But there could be worse > > > > :) > > > >=20 > > > > > Main navigation (top bar) > > > >=20 > > > > That is based on Bootstrap and there is some extra JS to make it go > > > > from transparent to white. > > > >=20 > > > > > Should we use the default BS component for those parts? Are there a= nything > > > > else? > > > > >=20 > > > > > What about the "responsive fluid" layout instead of the adaptive la= yout > > > > (BS default)? Should we switch to adaptive? Would this make it signif= icant > > > > simpler and more compatible? > > > >=20 > > > > We don't just jump from one size to another. The website scales with > > > > the screen size and only jumps to the viewports at a certain width. > > > >=20 > > > > I don't know which one that is, but I thought this was the way to go. > > > >=20 > > > > > Michael, thanks for Wekan. > > > >=20 > > > > No problem. I hope it works. > > > >=20 > > > > > > I am a little bit lost regarding what is so bad about this. It is= not > > > > pixel-perfect but I did not consider this to be a huge step back. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I see tons of minor and a couple of major things who broke. I could= just > > > > point you to Zeplin and say "please compare and fix it" ;) > > > >=20 > > > > I had a look at that and although I notice many things, I don't have > > > > the eyes of a designer. So please feel free to point out what needs to > > > > be changed. I might have missed it. > > > >=20 > > > > > Every pixel is documented there. But I think the primary goal of the > > > > website has changed a bit. That's why I suggested to use default BS > > > > components. > > > >=20 > > > > Well, maybe that could be a path for now. At least that will allow us > > > > to move forward a little bit faster. > > > >=20 > > > > Sorry for being a little bit dumb about all this. Please bare with me. > > > > We will get this done :) > > > >=20 > > > > Best, > > > > -Michael > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:32 PM Michael Tremer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > On Sun, 2018-07-29 at 00:52 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > I'll try to make it fast and direct. No negativ criticism or ru= de > > > > meanings are > > > > > > > included and I really enjoy to be part of the IPFire project. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Please say what you need to say. We are all interested in the best > > > > possible > > > > > > outcome. Review of what has been done so far is important to make= us > > > > better as a > > > > > > team. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > As we all know since the upgrade to BS4.1 tons of UI related th= ings > > > > broke or > > > > > > > changed back to default behaviors at the new IPFire Website. Ar= e we > > > > willing to > > > > > > > go the extra mile again to customize BS to the UI-design I desi= gned or > > > > do we > > > > > > > want to switch to the default BS theme, just do some adjustment= s and > > > > be live > > > > > > > in a proper timeframe? > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > I thought this would be the better path in the long-term. We will= just > > > > be able > > > > > > to import CSS fixes from Bootstrap and we have it all customized = to what > > > > we > > > > > > need. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Maybe I broke more as I intended and maybe this wasn't the best p= ath to > > > > roll the > > > > > > website out as soon as possible. But at least I think this is the= best > > > > way > > > > > > forwarding thinking long-term. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > As I said before, I haven't been polishing the mobile viewports t= oo much > > > > yet and > > > > > > I severely broke the background image. Oops :) I wanted to collec= t some > > > > items > > > > > > and then I will sort them out all in one go. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > To be honest, I don't want to spend time and energy to think ab= out how > > > > to > > > > > > > merge the status quo of dev.ipfire.org to the planned new websi= te > > > > design with > > > > > > > a lot of QA work I actually already did. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Anything else that you suggest? > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > I am a little bit lost regarding what is so bad about this. It is= not > > > > pixel- > > > > > > perfect but I did not consider this to be a huge step back. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Brainwork for the future: > > > > > > > When it comes to the WUI of IPFire, please think very careful i= f you > > > > want to > > > > > > > use BS as well. I prefer to go with CSSGrid and e.g. React if y= ou want > > > > to have > > > > > > > something unique, modern and very mobile friendly. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Yes, it looks like Bootstrap is kind of a large framework for thi= ngs > > > > like this. > > > > > > Customizing it is possible, but only within a certain range. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Taskboard: > > > > > > > Please setup Wekan asap and create todos which are currently sp= read > > > > out in > > > > > > > different mail threads. As I already wrote, I enjoy to do the U= I und > > > > UX part > > > > > > > for IPFire and really want that IPFire will stand out from their > > > > competitors > > > > > > > some day, but I don't want to do a lot of orga stuff. A bit of = orga > > > > stuff on > > > > > > > my side is totally fine and expected. Please support me in that= . Such > > > > a board > > > > > > > will make us a lot more productive and transparent. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > It's up: https://wekan.ipfire.org/ > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > You can register and then I can give you admin rights or what eve= r is > > > > needed to > > > > > > create the items that you need. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > >=20 --===============0872136581342950907==--