Re: [IPFire Artwork] Reworking the donation page

[Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.org>]

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Hello,

cool. I had a look at it. It looks nice, although I have never been missing any
of this functionality :)

It has a lot of extra dependencies and seems to be quite large. So I will set up
a another web server for this which takes a little bit of time.

If you have an free time already, please feel free to send anything by email so
that we don't get stalled on this.

Best,
-Michael

On Sat, 2018-07-21 at 13:59 +0200, Sven wrote:
> Wekan is open source and you can install it on your own server: 
> https://wekan.github.io
> And think that is easy to use, and you have full control over the data.
> 
> > On 21. Jul 2018, at 13:27, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 2018-07-20 at 22:29 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > Thanks for clarification and good to hear that it was expected that things
> > > will break.
> > 
> > That wasn't deliberate, but expected at least.
> > 
> > I also tried to move somethings to other places so that we can re-use them
> > easier (i.e. the background image is used in the blog and so on and I wanted
> > to
> > have the code only once). But it looks like I fucked that one up :)
> > 
> > > Yes, I can of course write down every broken thing. As I asked some weeks
> > > ago,
> > > but didn't get an answer - can we please use something more modern
> > > and convenient as Bugzilla? I used Bugzilla a lot in the past and it's a
> > > mighty tool without question. But nowadays there are better free tools out
> > > there for our usecase. I suggested Trello and Wekan. Sven used Wekan in
> > > some
> > > projects and had a good experience.
> > 
> > I have never used anything else but Bugzilla. It works well for me.
> > 
> > Since I do not know any of the other systems I would say that you make the
> > pick.
> > Not sure what quantity of tickets we are expecting we could also just send
> > emails.
> > 
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> > 
> > > What do you think?
> > > 
> > > Best, Maurice
> > > 
> > > PS: I'm on vacation now for the next 2 weeks.
> > 
> > Aww that is bad timing :) I hope you have a relaxing holiday and hope to see
> > you
> > back here as soon as you are back?!
> > 
> > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:24 PM Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 2018-07-19 at 21:39 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > Looks like you did a lot of cleaning tasks, Michael :) I really like
> > > > > to
> > > > throw
> > > > > away stuff and pages which are very similar to each other or not
> > > > > really
> > > > used
> > > > > or helpful.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, loads of the content needs to be rewritten. On the donation page we
> > > > mainly
> > > > have dummy texts which have to be written for the first time.
> > > > 
> > > > I would like to decide on the final wording when we have finished the
> > > > design,
> > > > but until then, please feel free to make suggestions or draw a few
> > > > sketches
> > > > :)
> > > > 
> > > > > > * I rebased Sven's code on the latest version of Bootstrap (from 4
> > > > > > alpha
> > > > 6
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > 4.2.1)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Am I the only one who see A LOT of broken things cause of that - I
> > > > > guess -
> > > > > version upgrade? How should this be handled now? Or is the upgrade
> > > > > still
> > > > in
> > > > > progress?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, this is still work in progress. A lot of stuff has changed because
> > > > of
> > > > Bootstrap changing a lot since the alpha release.
> > > > 
> > > > Other things have changed, because I put them into the variables which
> > > > allows us
> > > > to write a lot less CSS. However, I mainly concentrated on migrating
> > > > everything
> > > > and paid less attention to the mobile viewports for example.
> > > > 
> > > > Can we collect a list somewhere about what is incorrect? Starting with
> > > > the
> > > > most
> > > > major things? I guess the index & features page is best and then move on
> > > > to
> > > > the
> > > > rest.
> > > > 
> > > > Would you like to create tickets on Bugzilla and assign them to me?
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > -Michael
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 1:10 PM Michael Tremer <
> > > > > michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Don't worry, I will keep you in the loop for now and there will
> > > > > > still be
> > > > > > plenty
> > > > > > to do after version one is being rolled out.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I will write an email shortly about the blog and that I cut corners
> > > > > > :)
> > > > That
> > > > > > needs to be sorted eventually and I am happy to get some help with
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 13:08 +0200, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > Great news.
> > > > > > > I am really sorry that at the moment I can’t help, I really like
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > project
> > > > > > > and I hope that in the near future I will have some time to help
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On 18. Jul 2018, at 13:02, Michael Tremer <
> > > > > > > > michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello *,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > for the time being, I am taking over from Sven who is caught up
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > work
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > really need to move forward rolling out the website as soon as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > So I will keep you posted with a few updates that I am making. I
> > > > > > > > am
> > > > also
> > > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > some backend works and this is a short summary of what I did
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > week:
> > > > > > > > * I removed the planet & news pages
> > > > > > > > * I added a new backend for the blog and merged all news and
> > > > > > > > planet posts together
> > > > > > > > * I added a nice full-text search :)
> > > > > > > > * I cleaned up some of the backend code and this will continue
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On the frontend side:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > * I rebased Sven's code on the latest version of Bootstrap (from
> > > > > > > > 4
> > > > alpha
> > > > > > 6
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > 4.2.1)
> > > > > > > > * I moved a lot of the CSS into variables and it is now
> > > > > > > > dynamically
> > > > > > compiled
> > > > > > > > from SASS to CSS when ever something is changed.
> > > > > > > > * I removed loads of old pages that we no longer need as well as
> > > > images
> > > > > > (so
> > > > > > > > loads and loads of house-keeping)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > * I implemented the blog
> > > > > > > > For this I have loads of questions, requests and ideas for
> > > > improvements
> > > > > > > > which I will put into a separate email
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > * I implemented the form to the donation page
> > > > > > > > I did that in a slightly different way because the popup won't
> > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > we will already have a popup that encourages people to make
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > donation
> > > > > > > > a recurring one - please see that as a proposal. I will also
> > > > > > > > send
> > > > an
> > > > > > extra
> > > > > > > > email about the donation page
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > * I also tried to rework pages like the legal page. I guess I
> > > > > > > > failed
> > > > > > > > terribly on
> > > > > > > > that one design-wise. So we will have to talk what we can do
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > the
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > At the moment the site isn't online. I am installing a new web
> > > > server
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > host it for now and soon will be running the production version
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > it. I
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > let you know when that is online.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 2018-05-30 at 12:21 +0100, Michael Tremer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I just wanted to make a request about the donation page.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Can we have a field where people can enter a comment? Some
> > > > > > > > > people
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > write
> > > > > > > > > "Thank you" and some other write what features they would like
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > see
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > future and this is usually a good way to communicate that.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > It could potentially go under the address input. It doesn't
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > big.
> > > > > > > > > Only two lines or so.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 16:01 +0100, Michael Tremer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Ah cool, just found it (again :D).
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Is there any progress with the implementation of that, yet?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I guess you might want to remove the <form> tag that I added
> > > > again,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > suppose the functionality is clear through this.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 16:51 +0200, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > We have a layout for the address-stuff.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 22. May 2018, at 16:39, Michael Tremer <
> > > > > > > > > > > > michael.tremer(a)ip
> > > > fire
> > > > > > .org
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello guys,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I continued working on the backend of the donation stuff
> > > > since
> > > > > > > > > > > > contract
> > > > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > with the payment providers is soon coming to an end I
> > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > accept donations through this as soon as possible.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > So the backend work has kept me busy for weeks now and I
> > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > rough
> > > > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > running that sends out the right emails with SEPA
> > > > > > > > > > > > mandates
> > > > in
> > > > > > PDF
> > > > > > > > > > > > forms
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > on...
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On the frontend, this is now super easy to use and I
> > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > we need so far:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
https://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c36
> > > > 1abc
> > > > > > 1a73
> > > > > > > > > > > > d9c
> > > > > > > > > > > > 7b
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3f
> > > > > > > > > > > > f8d
> > > > > > > > > > > > 82da5e769e7378a128
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > The huge change in donate.html is just because I added a
> > > > <form>
> > > > > > tag
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > indented
> > > > > > > > > > > > every line in the block by one tab.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > All the magic happens in handlers.py. When a user clicks
> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > donate
> > > > > > > > > > > > button,
> > > > > > > > > > > > we will send a request to my accounting software with
> > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > details
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > redirect the user to the right payment page. Fairly
> > > > > > > > > > > > easy. So
> > > > far
> > > > > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > come back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see in the code, I added dummy values for the
> > > > name,
> > > > > > > > > > > > address
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > other inputs. So far I think we don't even have designs
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > part of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > donation form. Is that correct Maurice?
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > @Sven: Is the application back up and running on your
> > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 12:20 +0100, Michael Tremer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yes I will have a look at that. It has been a bit of a
> > > > problem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hosted in a different data centre and connecting back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > main
> > > > > > > > > > > > > database
> > > > > > > > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a VPN. If that is unavailable for a bit, the webapp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > loses
> > > > > > > > > > > > > connectivity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > database and from then on there are those issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please just shoot me an email when ever it breaks down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > I
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2018-04-27 at 19:46 +0000, Maurice Gesswein
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately dev.ipfire.org is pretty often down,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > reachable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > error. No issues with www.ipfire.org. Any chance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > you
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > permanently Michael? :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:29 PM Michael Tremer
> > > > <michael.trem
> > > > > > er(a)i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pfir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > g>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the backend for the fireinfo country thing is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
https://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire.org.git;a=commitdiff
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;
> > > > h=e4
> > > > > > 00e3
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7d7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > af
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 60
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ebc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45ec8966a6dd7ff5c213e5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I adjusted the website a little bit and removed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > other
> > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just for showing how this works, but I am sure you
> > > > won't
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did, so please feel free to change.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2018-04-26 at 10:14 +0100, Michael Tremer
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could one of you create a bug ticket then to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remind
> > > > me
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > site
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nagivation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue was about again?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far we have four tickets open and many many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > closed:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
https://bugzilla.ipfire.org/showdependencygraph.cgi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?
> > > > id=1
> > > > > > 1314
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2018-04-26 at 07:50 +0200, Sven wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course we have to fix the bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But for example the sidebar navigation bug has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > entry in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bugzilla
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my computer the text overlaps but I can’t see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flickering.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that there is still a lot to do without
> > > > design
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 25.04.2018 um 18:10 schrieb Maurice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gesswein
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <maurice.gesswei
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n(a)ip
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.o
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, this is no fingerpointing or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > like
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comment! I'm wondering what about the major
> > > > > > available
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bugs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flickering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sidenavigation during browser resize and
> > > > overlapping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sidebar at the feature page? Should this be
> > > > fixed in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words there are some major and a lot of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minor
> > > > bugs
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while no new designs/layouts are available.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My next todo is the blog article. Defining
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > formation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a bit of time to work on this during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > next
> > > > > > 2-3
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, Maurice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven <sven.hoehn(a)posteo.de> schrieb am Mi.,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25.
> > > > Apr.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2018,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16:58:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This week busy … hope to have a bit of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time
> > > > the
> > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, please implement the stats in the
> > > > backend.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is with the Planet do we rename it to
> > > > Blog
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigation?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 25.04.2018 um 14:59 schrieb Michael
> > > > Tremer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.treme
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > r(a)ip
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.o
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick answer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2018-04-25 at 14:47 +0200, Sven
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the moment no news from my side.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is your availability in the next few
> > > > days
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > busy with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things or do you think that we can
> > > > make
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > progress?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if you order the page content, we
> > > > still
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fireinfo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stats to put on the homepage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, thanks for reminding me. Let's go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The latest version and how many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * As a second thing, let's pick a random
> > > > country
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (potentially
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one of the top 20 or so where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > percentages
> > > > are
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toooo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > above 1%) and show the gauge for how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So for example: Germany (45%) or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Switzerland
> > > > > > (5%)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess that is a quite interesting
> > > > statistic
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CPU
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are using because Intel is quite obvious
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > ways...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want me to implement the backend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 25.04.2018 um 14:02 schrieb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > Tremer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.tremer@
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ipfi
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rg>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me again. I went ahead and made a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > changes to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is mostly all backend:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * A bit of tidying up of some messy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code
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> > > > the
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> > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tremer
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-04-24 at 10:55 +0100,
> > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tremer
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