Re: [IPFire Artwork] Bootstrap 4.1

[Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.org>]

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Hey,

On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 15:07 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> Can you please mail me the fork of the font?

Sure. I got it from here:

  https://github.com/ms-studio/karmilla

Best,
-Michael

> 
> Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> schrieb am Fr., 3. Aug. 2018, 13:10:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 01:13 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I started with adding cards to Wekan. Green labels means "Design". Yellow labels "Development". Please have a look. There are also updates in Zeplin. "Grid" and "Navigation".
> > 
> > Cool. I changed the width of the grids already. No idea how to close
> > the card or what to do with it after it has been done.
> > 
> > > The font thing is also already a card. I'll provide suggestions there. "Karla" looks nice (didn't checked the baseline so far), but has a very low set of characters :( Or will stay IPFire always EN only?
> > 
> > I guess we will at least stay with Latin characters. On
> > lightningwirelabs.com I use a fork of that font that has äöüß and the
> > Euro sign added.
> > 
> > It would be nice to have the same font on both websites. You can even
> > drop Ubuntu then if those don't work well together.
> > 
> > I am not sure what the thoughts are to select a font :)
> > 
> > -Michael
> > 
> > > Just found https://fontjoy.com/ to play around with Google Fonts. For the 1st 2 font types I'm using always Ubuntu.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Maurice
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2018-07-31 at 22:29 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > OK, cool. Thanks for feedback Michael. I want to wait for Sven's feedback
> > > > > before I start with the needed revamps of the BS components. Than I'll add
> > > > > cards/tickets to Wekan.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Michael, one other thing I always forgot. How important is it for you to use
> > > > > Ubuntu as the primary copy text? Personally I like the font, but it's baseline
> > > > > is not correct vertically centered. If you want e.g. a perfect button you
> > > > > would need to include a small offset.
> > > > > Can we keep Ubuntu for bigger font cases like headlines and the IPFire logo
> > > > > and use another font (I'll make suggestions for it) for copy text, buttons,
> > > > > etc.?
> > > > 
> > > > I am not married to it. I liked it and it has served our purpose well.
> > > > 
> > > > I played around with Karla for the website which I also quite like because it is
> > > > an uncomplicated and clean font (I use it for Lightning Wire Labs), but it
> > > > didn't look right for IPFire. Maybe it works when headlines are Ubuntu?
> > > > 
> > > > Any suggestions for other fonts?
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Maurice
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:42 PM Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 2018-07-31 at 00:03 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > We are all interested in the best possible outcome.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Signed!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sven, for which parts of the IPFire Website did you need to override a lot
> > > > > > of defaults and made the code pretty complex? I assume the following:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If I may answer some of that being a frontend rookie...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Always fullscreen background-image at the top of the page
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That should not be a problem. It is just a little bit conditional when
> > > > > > the background image is shown. It's not on all pages.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And the odd scaling it does now is something that I fucked up because I
> > > > > > didn't test enough.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Burger menu which slides in from the left
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That is quite a lot of work because the Bootstrap default is coming in
> > > > > > from the top. So either that is changed (and no idea if Bootstrap
> > > > > > allows that, but I will find out), or written from scratch.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Left sidebar at the e.g. Features page and Blog
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bootstrap has something to build on. So that was fine.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Especially in smartphone viewport
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The donation page was a little bit more work because content moved
> > > > > > quite far and not only the columns collapsed. But there could be worse
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Main navigation (top bar)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That is based on Bootstrap and there is some extra JS to make it go
> > > > > > from transparent to white.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Should we use the default BS component for those parts? Are there anything
> > > > > > else?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What about the "responsive fluid" layout instead of the adaptive layout
> > > > > > (BS default)? Should we switch to adaptive? Would this make it significant
> > > > > > simpler and more compatible?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We don't just jump from one size to another. The website scales with
> > > > > > the screen size and only jumps to the viewports at a certain width.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know which one that is, but I thought this was the way to go.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Michael, thanks for Wekan.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > No problem. I hope it works.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I am a little bit lost regarding what is so bad about this. It is not
> > > > > > pixel-perfect but I did not consider this to be a huge step back.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I see tons of minor and a couple of major things who broke. I could just
> > > > > > point you to Zeplin and say "please compare and fix it" ;)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I had a look at that and although I notice many things, I don't have
> > > > > > the eyes of a designer. So please feel free to point out what needs to
> > > > > > be changed. I might have missed it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Every pixel is documented there. But I think the primary goal of the
> > > > > > website has changed a bit. That's why I suggested to use default BS
> > > > > > components.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, maybe that could be a path for now. At least that will allow us
> > > > > > to move forward a little bit faster.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sorry for being a little bit dumb about all this. Please bare with me.
> > > > > > We will get this done :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Best, Maurice
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:32 PM Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 2018-07-29 at 00:52 +0200, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I'll try to make it fast and direct. No negativ criticism or rude
> > > > > > meanings are
> > > > > > > > > included and I really enjoy to be part of the IPFire project.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Please say what you need to say. We are all interested in the best
> > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > > outcome. Review of what has been done so far is important to make us
> > > > > > better as a
> > > > > > > > team.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > As we all know since the upgrade to BS4.1 tons of UI related things
> > > > > > broke or
> > > > > > > > > changed back to default behaviors at the new IPFire Website. Are we
> > > > > > willing to
> > > > > > > > > go the extra mile again to customize BS to the UI-design I designed or
> > > > > > do we
> > > > > > > > > want to switch to the default BS theme, just do some adjustments and
> > > > > > be live
> > > > > > > > > in a proper timeframe?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I thought this would be the better path in the long-term. We will just
> > > > > > be able
> > > > > > > > to import CSS fixes from Bootstrap and we have it all customized to what
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > need.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Maybe I broke more as I intended and maybe this wasn't the best path to
> > > > > > roll the
> > > > > > > > website out as soon as possible. But at least I think this is the best
> > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > forwarding thinking long-term.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > As I said before, I haven't been polishing the mobile viewports too much
> > > > > > yet and
> > > > > > > > I severely broke the background image. Oops :) I wanted to collect some
> > > > > > items
> > > > > > > > and then I will sort them out all in one go.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > To be honest, I don't want to spend time and energy to think about how
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > merge the status quo of dev.ipfire.org to the planned new website
> > > > > > design with
> > > > > > > > > a lot of QA work I actually already did.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Anything else that you suggest?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I am a little bit lost regarding what is so bad about this. It is not
> > > > > > pixel-
> > > > > > > > perfect but I did not consider this to be a huge step back.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Brainwork for the future:
> > > > > > > > > When it comes to the WUI of IPFire, please think very careful if you
> > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > use BS as well. I prefer to go with CSSGrid and e.g. React if you want
> > > > > > to have
> > > > > > > > > something unique, modern and very mobile friendly.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yes, it looks like Bootstrap is kind of a large framework for things
> > > > > > like this.
> > > > > > > > Customizing it is possible, but only within a certain range.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Taskboard:
> > > > > > > > > Please setup Wekan asap and create todos which are currently spread
> > > > > > out in
> > > > > > > > > different mail threads. As I already wrote, I enjoy to do the UI und
> > > > > > UX part
> > > > > > > > > for IPFire and really want that IPFire will stand out from their
> > > > > > competitors
> > > > > > > > > some day, but I don't want to do a lot of orga stuff. A bit of orga
> > > > > > stuff on
> > > > > > > > > my side is totally fine and expected. Please support me in that. Such
> > > > > > a board
> > > > > > > > > will make us a lot more productive and transparent.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It's up: https://wekan.ipfire.org/
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > You can register and then I can give you admin rights or what ever is
> > > > > > needed to
> > > > > > > > create the items that you need.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > > Best, Maurice
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