IPFire-Artwork July 2018

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6 discussions

Bootstrap 4.1
by Maurice Gesswein 03 Aug '18

03 Aug '18

Hey all, I'll try to make it fast and direct. No negativ criticism or rude meanings are included and I really enjoy to be part of the IPFire project. As we all know since the upgrade to BS4.1 tons of UI related things broke or changed back to default behaviors at the new IPFire Website. *Are we willing to go the extra mile again to customize BS to the UI-design I designed or do we want to switch to the default BS theme, just do some adjustments and be live in a proper timeframe?* To be honest, I don't want to spend time and energy to think about how to merge the status quo of dev.ipfire.org to the planned new website design with a lot of QA work I actually already did. Brainwork for the future: When it comes to the WUI of IPFire, please think very careful if you want to use BS as well. I prefer to go with CSSGrid and e.g. React if you want to have something unique, modern and very mobile friendly. Taskboard: Please setup Wekan asap and create todos which are currently spread out in different mail threads. As I already wrote, I enjoy to do the UI und UX part for IPFire and really want that IPFire will stand out from their competitors some day, but I don't want to do a lot of orga stuff. A bit of orga stuff on my side is totally fine and expected. Please support me in that. Such a board will make us a lot more productive and transparent. Best, Maurice

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Thoughts on the donation page
by Michael Tremer 26 Jul '18

26 Jul '18

Hello, I want to start a thread on the donation page. When I have been working on it, I had a few ideas and discovered a few problems with the flow. So I tried to change them, but am quite unsure if I came to the right conclusions... So this page... https://dev.ipfire.org/donate ...is supposed to encourage people to set up a recurring donation to the project. We benefit most from smaller regular donations than one- time donations. Therefore the process should be quick and easy. We have a few legal requirements which don't make this too easy for us to design an effortless process. The main issue with that is the address that we need. We need that to process payment and we will have to store it for tax records. This used to be a pop-up before and I moved this to the main box now because of two reasons: * We should be up-front that this is a requirement and not surprise people with the pop-up * I would like to have a pop-up that encourages people to change their one-time donation to a monthly one and two pop-ups feel a little bit annoying. That makes the main box a little bit large, but I think that at least it has all steps on it. Then, I removed the payment methods. This is easier to ask that in the backend and it would require some changes in the code there to make it work. We also don't always offer all payment options. Hence it is good that we know the amount and currency beforehand. I kept the icons though and moved then underneath the donate button because we should still show which payment options are potentially available. Can we add a logo for SEPA here? I am also considering to remove PayPal entirely. They are just a pain to deal with and ridiculously expensive. Credit card and SEPA should cover payments from anywhere in the world and easy and flexible. After someone has gone through the process, they will receive an email with a PDF document that contains the SEPA mandate if they have chosen SEPA. In case of credit card, there won't be any emails. The bank statements or credit card bill will have a link to the accounting software to end any recurring donations. I have considered sending a thank you email with a link, but people would loose it. Sending an email every time we take a payment is very annoying. Then, there is the pop-up to think about. I have no idea what that could look like. It should be nice and ask if the user would prefer to do a monthly donation of the amount that they have selected divided by four. So we should make a suggestion and make it one click to make it recurring. There should also be a "no thanks" option that just continues with the one-time payment. Potentially we won't show the pop-up for donations that are 10 EUR or USD. It doesn't make too much sense to break them into smaller monthly payments. Does anyone have any ideas for a good wording? Finally, I changed the split layout because it didn't feel natural to me to either fill in one or the other side to pick an amount to donate. Although there was a big "OR", I am personally happier with having those aligned from top to bottom. Comments? So that's it for now. I will hopefully find some time next week to write the texts for that page and maybe others. It doesn't come very natural to me, but I will give it a try. Hopefully we will be able to tell what the final shape of the page is going to be. Best, -Michael

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Re: [IPFire Artwork] Reworking the donation page
by Michael Tremer 26 Jul '18

26 Jul '18

Don't worry, I will keep you in the loop for now and there will still be plenty to do after version one is being rolled out. I will write an email shortly about the blog and that I cut corners :) That needs to be sorted eventually and I am happy to get some help with that. Best, -Michael On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 13:08 +0200, Sven wrote: > Great news. > I am really sorry that at the moment I can’t help, I really like the project > and I hope that in the near future I will have some time to help you again. > > Greetings, > Sven > > > On 18. Jul 2018, at 13:02, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org> wrote: > > > > Hello *, > > > > for the time being, I am taking over from Sven who is caught up in work and > > I > > really need to move forward rolling out the website as soon as possible now. > > > > So I will keep you posted with a few updates that I am making. I am also > > doing > > some backend works and this is a short summary of what I did this week: > > > > * I removed the planet & news pages > > * I added a new backend for the blog and merged all news and > > planet posts together > > * I added a nice full-text search :) > > * I cleaned up some of the backend code and this will continue > > > > On the frontend side: > > > > * I rebased Sven's code on the latest version of Bootstrap (from 4 alpha 6 > > to > > 4.2.1) > > * I moved a lot of the CSS into variables and it is now dynamically compiled > > from SASS to CSS when ever something is changed. > > * I removed loads of old pages that we no longer need as well as images (so > > loads and loads of house-keeping) > > > > * I implemented the blog > > For this I have loads of questions, requests and ideas for improvements > > which I will put into a separate email > > > > * I implemented the form to the donation page > > I did that in a slightly different way because the popup won't work since > > we will already have a popup that encourages people to make their donation > > a recurring one - please see that as a proposal. I will also send an extra > > email about the donation page > > > > * I also tried to rework pages like the legal page. I guess I failed > > terribly on > > that one design-wise. So we will have to talk what we can do about the other > > pages. > > > > At the moment the site isn't online. I am installing a new web server that > > will > > host it for now and soon will be running the production version of it. I > > will > > let you know when that is online. > > > > Best, > > -Michael > > > > On Wed, 2018-05-30 at 12:21 +0100, Michael Tremer wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I just wanted to make a request about the donation page. > > > > > > Can we have a field where people can enter a comment? Some people just > > > write > > > "Thank you" and some other write what features they would like to see in > > > the > > > future and this is usually a good way to communicate that. > > > > > > It could potentially go under the address input. It doesn't have to be > > > very > > > big. > > > Only two lines or so. > > > > > > Best, > > > -Michael > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 16:01 +0100, Michael Tremer wrote: > > > > Ah cool, just found it (again :D). > > > > > > > > Is there any progress with the implementation of that, yet? > > > > > > > > I guess you might want to remove the <form> tag that I added again, but > > > > I > > > > suppose the functionality is clear through this. > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 16:51 +0200, Sven wrote: > > > > > We have a layout for the address-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22. May 2018, at 16:39, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I continued working on the backend of the donation stuff since > > > > > > contract > > > > > > work > > > > > > with the payment providers is soon coming to an end I would like to > > > > > > be > > > > > > able > > > > > > to > > > > > > accept donations through this as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > So the backend work has kept me busy for weeks now and I have a > > > > > > rough > > > > > > version > > > > > > running that sends out the right emails with SEPA mandates in PDF > > > > > > forms > > > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > On the frontend, this is now super easy to use and I implemented > > > > > > everything > > > > > > that > > > > > > we need so far: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c361abc1a73 > > > > > > d9c > > > > > > 7b > > > > > > 3f > > > > > > f8d > > > > > > 82da5e769e7378a128 > > > > > > > > > > > > The huge change in donate.html is just because I added a <form> tag > > > > > > and > > > > > > indented > > > > > > every line in the block by one tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > All the magic happens in handlers.py. When a user clicks on the > > > > > > donate > > > > > > button, > > > > > > we will send a request to my accounting software with all the > > > > > > details > > > > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > redirect the user to the right payment page. Fairly easy. So far > > > > > > they > > > > > > will > > > > > > never > > > > > > come back. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see in the code, I added dummy values for the name, > > > > > > address > > > > > > and > > > > > > some > > > > > > other inputs. So far I think we don't even have designs for that > > > > > > part of > > > > > > the > > > > > > donation form. Is that correct Maurice? > > > > > > > > > > > > @Sven: Is the application back up and running on your development > > > > > > machine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 12:20 +0100, Michael Tremer wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes I will have a look at that. It has been a bit of a problem > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > hosted in a different data centre and connecting back to the main > > > > > > > database > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > a VPN. If that is unavailable for a bit, the webapp loses > > > > > > > connectivity > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > database and from then on there are those issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please just shoot me an email when ever it breaks down and I can > > > > > > > restart > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2018-04-27 at 19:46 +0000, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > > > > > > Unfortunately dev.ipfire.org is pretty often down, not reachable > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > 500 > > > > > > > > error. No issues with www.ipfire.org. Any chance that you could > > > > > > > > fix > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > permanently Michael? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:29 PM Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@i > > > > > > > > pfir > > > > > > > > e. > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > g> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the backend for the fireinfo country thing is being > > > > > > > > > implemented: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=e400e3 > > > > > > > > > 7d7 > > > > > > > > > af > > > > > > > > > 60 > > > > > > > > > ebc > > > > > > > > > 45 > > > > > > > > > 45ec8966a6dd7ff5c213e5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I adjusted the website a little bit and removed the other two > > > > > > > > > dials. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > just for showing how this works, but I am sure you won't be > > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > did, so please feel free to change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2018-04-26 at 10:14 +0100, Michael Tremer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Could one of you create a bug ticket then to remind me what > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > site > > > > > > > > > > nagivation > > > > > > > > > > issue was about again? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far we have four tickets open and many many are already > > > > > > > > > > closed: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://bugzilla.ipfire.org/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=11314 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2018-04-26 at 07:50 +0200, Sven wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Of course we have to fix the bugs. > > > > > > > > > > > But for example the sidebar navigation bug has no entry in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bugzilla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > my computer the text overlaps but I can’t see the > > > > > > > > > > > flickering. > > > > > > > > > > > I know that there is still a lot to do without design work > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part, > > > > > > > > > > > Maurice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 25.04.2018 um 18:10 schrieb Maurice Gesswein > > > > > > > > > > > > <maurice.gesswei > > > > > > > > > > > > n@ip > > > > > > > > > > > > fi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.o > > > > > > > > > > > > rg > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, this is no fingerpointing or something like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > comment! I'm wondering what about the major available > > > > > > > > > > > > bugs > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flickering > > > > > > > > > > > > Sidenavigation during browser resize and overlapping > > > > > > > > > > > > text in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > > > > > sidebar at the feature page? Should this be fixed in the > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > end? > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > words there are some major and a lot of minor bugs which > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > > > while no new designs/layouts are available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My next todo is the blog article. Defining the text > > > > > > > > > > > > formation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > > > > > > have a bit of time to work on this during the next 2-3 > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven <sven.hoehn(a)posteo.de> schrieb am Mi., 25. Apr. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2018, > > > > > > > > > > > > 16:58: > > > > > > > > > > > > > This week busy … hope to have a bit of time the next > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, please implement the stats in the backend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is with the Planet do we rename it to Blog and > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 25.04.2018 um 14:59 schrieb Michael Tremer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.treme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > r@ip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.o > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2018-04-25 at 14:47 +0200, Sven wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the moment no news from my side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is your availability in the next few days and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > busy with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things or do you think that we can make some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > progress? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if you order the page content, we still have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fireinfo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stats to put on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, thanks for reminding me. Let's go with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The latest version and how many systems are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * As a second thing, let's pick a random country for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (potentially > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one of the top 20 or so where percentages are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toooo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > above 1%) and show the gauge for how many of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So for example: Germany (45%) or Switzerland (5%) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess that is a quite interesting statistic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CPU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are using because Intel is quite obvious any ways... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want me to implement the backend like last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 25.04.2018 um 14:02 schrieb Michael Tremer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.tremer@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ipfi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.o > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rg>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me again. 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 962f > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > de > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e989 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7085 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 35f3b1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 60e3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 814d9d7fe0cb2686 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * And the bigger changes are those two: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire.org.git;a=commi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tdif > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7c06 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e897 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 41c3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b0792c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0fe1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 07459098ba248b7d > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire.org.git;a=commi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tdif > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e52b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b601 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f908 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e7bf44 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 77f9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 615ce674ce1de8da > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first one drops the wishlist. 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We should rather encourage people to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > set > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recurring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > donation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of searching features that are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > donate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to because that takes money away from security- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very exciting for our users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second one drop the entire German > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > translation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahead of us and I am going to improve some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afford > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this for German as well. Nobody seems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > localized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website anyways since the wiki is only English > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also merged everything from your branch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website in the meantime. Sven, please continue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do this as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > git fetch origin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > git reset --hard origin/next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then just keep committing and pushing to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > push needs to overwrite the old branch: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > git push shoehn +master > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The plus sign overwrites all changes in the old > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2018-04-25 at 11:06 +0100, Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tremer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any status update other than this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know where I can support. I am excited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close to rolling it out. What is left on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > todo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-04-24 at 10:55 +0100, Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tremer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, but right now we are not even anywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 250 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EUR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really really pointless... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2018-04-23 at 17:19 +0200, Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25000 Euro each month would be great :-D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 23.04.2018 um 12:31 schrieb Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tremer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.tre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mer@ipfi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They generally do offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, but require a minimum turnover of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EUR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > >

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Website Redesign: Static Pages
by Michael Tremer 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

Hello, I would like to ask a few questions about the static pages that we have. I am not sure what I should do with them content-wise and I hope that a bit more clarity about what they will look like might help. So, we have one big page which is a bit special which is the features page: https://dev.ipfire.org/features This one is a bit special in that sense that it has a lot of content and even needs a navigation bar. One of my initial thoughts was that it needs to be split up, but since the design works so well and it is not supposed to be that long the content needs to be shortened, screenshots need to be added and it should basically become a redirector to the wiki where people find information that is going more into depth. But what do we do with the remaining content? I tried to put everything onto a card and make it narrow (similar to the blog), but that I guess only works for the legal page: https://dev.ipfire.org/legal Then we have Support & Community from the top navigation. Should that potentially become one page? It has a lot of redundant information and probably most of that should be on the wiki. I don't want to talk about development here at all. https://dev.ipfire.org/get-support https://dev.ipfire.org/get-involved Then we have the artwork page: https://dev.ipfire.org/artwork I guess that should only have the logos there. It is supposed to be a place for the press to get it from. I am not even sure if it is linked anywhere but I occasionally use it in an email. Then we have the chat page: https://dev.ipfire.org/chat That content could potentially go to the community page. Finally, we need error pages. At the moment we have this: https://www.ipfire.org/does-not-exist It does not transport any particular message. I just tells the user off which isn't too nice. They could be a bit more creative, but at the same time they should be simple to implement because they are not a priority at all. The load-balancer we have in front of the web server also sends out error pages. For that we would need something that is a small page and everything fits into one single HTML file. I would like to have an error page in the webapp for these: * 400 - Bad Request * 403 - Forbidden * 404 - Not Found The load-balancer should have a page for these error codes: * 500 - Internal Server Error * 502 - Bad Gateway * 503 - Service Unavailable * 504 - Gateway Timeout Potentially this could all be the same page. The user doesn't need to know an exact reason why the page isn't loading. Best, -Michael

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Progress on the blog
by Michael Tremer 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

Hello, finally, I managed to get the new site online. I installed a new fresh web server and migrated from nginx to Apache which was a little bit tricky... The URL is the same one: https://dev.ipfire.org/ The blog is available at https://blog.dev.ipfire.org/ Please have a look around. I guess it is best to have an email thread for each sub-page so that we can move them forward independently. This one is supposed to be for the blog: I cut many corners so far, but basically am quite confident that I implemented the design a fair bit. I didn't pay much attention to the mobile viewports, yet. So here is the list: * The sidebar menu will be quite tricky to move to the top when the screensize is reduced. Is there an alternative we can implement for now and replace this later? * I didn't use any of the icons, because I am not sure if there is a good way to download them all in one go instead of having so many loose SVG objects around. * I assumed that all headlines in the posts will have the same size (don't we need any hierarchy here?) and just set h1, h2, ..., h6 to a fixed size. Was that correct? Here is the page with all the demo content: https://blog.dev.ipfire.org/post/test * Images seem to expand to full width :( https://blog.dev.ipfire.org/post/introducing-the-ipfire-prime-box-by-founta… * I have no design for an empty search result: https://blog.dev.ipfire.org/search?q=sdhjkdh * I assumed that the year pages should be a list of the posts without author name clickable: https://blog.dev.ipfire.org/years/2018 * The big donate button is in the base template and therefore appeared at the top. I left it there for now because I thought it would be a good idea to have a donate button on the blog. In the posts we often encourage people to donate. Should we rather have the button at the bottom just like the LWL posts for posts that we tag to have that button? * Should also be a button for the RSS feed? That's what I have so far. Please comment :) Best, -Michael

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Re: [IPFire Artwork] Reworking the donation page
by Michael Tremer 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

Hi, On Thu, 2018-03-01 at 16:30 +0100, Sven wrote: > Hello, > I push an update online with the donation-page. Cool. > It’s working but I’m not really happy with the responsiveness of it. Why? > Also I have to recheck the font formatting at the moment it seems wrong on the > donation page, but will recheck with the other pages and their viewports. > > Can someone explain me again why we need the pop-up box with the address of > the donator? Because in Germany we have so many useless laws. We have to pay VAT on donations, but for that is depends where the "service" is being provided. > Do we need it all the time or only for the credit card payment? Every time. > When someone pays with PayPal that information are already included within > their PayPal Account. We optionally can get a "shipping address", but that is not the same. PayPal otherwise just gives us the email address. > How does the SEPA transfer work? Via online banking or will it show up the > bank information like on the Mozilla Donation page? It will be a direct debit (Lastschrift in German). The second step will ask for the IBAN and BIC and that is all we need. > Personally I would prefer a payment method where I have to insert as less > information as possible. Same here. I suppose that this will be a big problem here. Maybe we need some fine-tuning later, but I do not see a way how we get around this in a better way. But open for any ideas. > @Maurice can you please include the screens with the overlaying grid on > zeplin? I have some trouble understanding how many columns the text-blocks on > the donation page are. You only sent this email to me. Please copy the list next time. > > Still a lot to do but we are moving forward. Yes :) Very happy to see the progress here. The PayPal logo is missing in git. -Michael > > Greetings, > Sven > > > On 17. Feb 2018, at 13:21, Michael Tremer via IPFire-Artwork <ipfire-artwork > > @lists.ipfire.org> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 22:39 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > > Great. I will think about the order because I am not sure if PayPal > > > > supports > > > > recurring donations and bank transfers are way cheaper for us. > > > > > > > > > PayPal should only be visible if "One time" is selected. I added a note > > > for > > > that within Zeplin. For me it doesn't matter on which position it is > > > displayed. I assume if it's placed at the far right position that's the > > > easiest way for Sven. > > > > Agreed. > > > > I will still investigate how we can do the full monty with PayPal as well. I > > do > > not like them at all, but right now > 90% of our donations come through it. > > So > > the decision is easy to make :) > > > > > > This looks good, but shows arrows where the country can be selected. > > > > Potentially > > > > we need to add a few lines of smallprint at the bottom that tells people > > > > why > > > > we > > > > need this infomation. I would assume that many will ask for that. Or > > > > should > > > > we > > > > put that into the smallprint on the main donation page? > > > > > > > > > I added a dummytext within the dialogs. > > > > Perfect. > > > > > > > > > Should we even rename it "Blog"? That would be more obvious since it is > > > > not > > > > really a "planet" which used to be an aggregated RSS feed like Debian > > > > still > > > > has: > > > > https://planet.debian.org/ > > > > > > I would use "Blog". It's more common these days. Only Grandpas like us > > > knows > > > what "Planet" means ;) > > > > Okay, let's rename it then. I have never considered this before, but it > > actually > > sounds way better to me to call this Blog now. > > > > I will do the backend stuff when Sven is done with the frontend. Or should > > we do > > it the other way round? > > > > What I also saw yesterday, the formatting of the blog should also be used > > for > > the main news like these: > > > > https://www.ipfire.org/news/ipfire-2-19-core-update-118-released > > > > We also have this sub-page https://www.ipfire.org/news. Not sure what to do > > with > > it. It is not very useful, but without it there is no way to access previous > > news. > > > > > > > > > I made you an extra article about that which isn't published. That > > > > should > > > > also > > > > help Sven to implement this and see everything on one page. Exactly how > > > > it > > > > will > > > > look. > > > > https://planet.ipfire.org/post/test > > > > > > Perfect! Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer(a)ipfire.or > > > g> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2018-02-15 at 22:47 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > > > great that things are moving along! You did a lot in the past days :) > > > > > > > > > I pushed some updated Donation screens and new ones to Zeplin. > > > > > > > > > > Changelog: > > > > > PayPal added > > > > > > > > Great. I will think about the order because I am not sure if PayPal > > > > supports > > > > recurring donations and bank transfers are way cheaper for us. > > > > > > > > > Viewport S added > > > > > > > > Looks very good. > > > > > > > > > Dialogs for personal data added > > > > > > > > This looks good, but shows arrows where the country can be selected. > > > > Potentially > > > > we need to add a few lines of smallprint at the bottom that tells people > > > > why > > > > we > > > > need this infomation. I would assume that many will ask for that. Or > > > > should > > > > we > > > > put that into the smallprint on the main donation page? > > > > > > > > > Success and Failed page added > > > > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > New icons and PayPal Logo added to Assets sheet. > > > > > > > > > > Can we please move the text of "Why should I donate?" and "How much > > > > > should > > > > > > > > I > > > > > give?" to the bottom next to the FAQ again? I understand that you want > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > information above the "fold". That works OK somehow in Viewport XL but > > > > > the > > > > > dark sidebar becomes longer and longer in smaller viewports. This > > > > > results > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > lot of unwanted whitespace and the FAQ are far away. As a trade-off I > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > the > > > > > headlines in the dark sidebar and placed jumpmark icons next to it. > > > > > > > > Yes, please move this to where you think it is best. The text is not > > > > finalised > > > > yet and I will make this work later then. It would just be nice to have > > > > some > > > > area with text that everyone reads and where we encourage people to give > > > > (more > > > > :D) and some smallprint that just has to be there but nobody cares too > > > > much > > > > about. > > > > > > > > I suppose as soon as Sven has implemented it all, I will check out the > > > > branch > > > > and write the texts and then we merge everything together. > > > > > > > > > After I read your last mail it seems to be that the Blog/Planet is > > > > > pretty > > > > > popular. Is this true? If so, should the link to the Planet not a lot > > > > > more > > > > > prominent? What about place "Planet" or "Blog" in the Topbar? > > > > > > > > Should we even rename it "Blog"? That would be more obvious since it is > > > > not > > > > really a "planet" which used to be an aggregated RSS feed like Debian > > > > still > > > > has: > > > > https://planet.debian.org/ > > > > > > > > It is quite a nice news outlet for not too important news that are > > > > mainly > > > > interesting for people who are involved a bit more into the project. > > > > It's > > > > about > > > > development and what we are doing. > > > > > > > > > Layout and design of the Blog is straight forward. I'll focus on this > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > It > > > > > would help me a lot if you can point me to some sample articles where > > > > > I > > > > > > > > can > > > > > see ALL different textformatations which are needed. Or write down a > > > > > list > > > > > like: H1, H2, H3, bulletpoints, code, quote, highlight, etc. > > > > > > > > I made you an extra article about that which isn't published. That > > > > should > > > > also > > > > help Sven to implement this and see everything on one page. Exactly how > > > > it > > > > will > > > > look. > > > > > > > > https://planet.ipfire.org/post/test > > > > > > > > I think I didn't forget anything. But if I did, please let me know. > > > > > > > > Obviously the blue bar at the top will disappear when a post has been > > > > published > > > > :) > > > > > > > > Hope this is all you need from me right now. Let me know if I can do > > > > anything > > > > else! > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > Let me know if there are any questions. > > > > > > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire > > > > > .org > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > because I am a little bit lost at the moment I would like to restart > > > > > > conversation again and check where everyone is at right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a brief email exchange with Sven and he is a bit busy this > > > > > > weekend > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > should have more time available next week. But I thought in the end > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > easiest to use this list so nobody misses anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would still like to push for a release of the website as soon as > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > can, > > > > > > but > > > > > > that doesn't mean I want to build up pressure. I just want to make > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > things are moving a long and that we get a minimum "product" ready > > > > > > to > > > > > > release > > > > > > and constantly keep improving this then. > > > > > > > > > > > > Overall this seems to be a bit bigger than I thought in the > > > > > > beginning, > > > > > > > > so we > > > > > > need to break it down a bit further. > > > > > > > > > > > > So the areas of attention are: > > > > > > > > > > > > * Completing the donation page. Here we need the address inputs as > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > can > > > > > > see and the mentioned S viewport. > > > > > > > > > > > > * Index & Features look complete for me > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sven has already fixed the talk pages which are for internal use > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > think this will do for the moment. I have a few ideas how to make > > > > > > this > > > > > > better, > > > > > > but is not a priority for now. > > > > > > > > > > > > * One of the bigger things (in terms of traffic) is the planet. I > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > should not be too much work to make this "nice". It is working right > > > > > > > > now, > > > > > > but > > > > > > there is clearly a break of look & feel. But basically it has two > > > > > > pages > > > > > > which > > > > > > are very similar. I think to make that really nice, this shouldn't > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > much > > > > > > extra work to be put in. > > > > > > > > > > > > So can we put those two things (finishing the donation page & > > > > > > planet) on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > list for the upcoming few weeks? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is anyone working on other things at the moment? Just shoot me a > > > > > > quick > > > > > > email. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 12:37 +0000, Michael Tremer wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great that things are moving along... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 23:57 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > XS > > > > > > > > viewport in Zeplin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next up: > > > > > > > > • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What misunderstandings? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > • Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields > > > > > > > > • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type > > > > > > > > in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In all cases people need to type in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First Name, Last Name > > > > > > > Company Name (optional) > > > > > > > Address Line 1 > > > > > > > Address Line 2 > > > > > > > Country (Probably as a dropdown) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We *never* take any credit card or bank account details. That is > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > typed in > > > > > > > on the website of the payment provider. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We cannot even verify the address much, but we should make sure > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > typed in something into every field except Address Line 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > • Success page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: > > > > > > > > What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble > > > > > > > > something, > > > > > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is probably two ways: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) The transaction was successful and we should redirect the user > > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > says "Thank You" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) The transaction was not successful and we should show a useful > > > > > > > > error to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > user which we will get from the payment provider. For example that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > credit > > > > > > > card has been declined or that the payment provider is > > > > > > > experiencing a > > > > > > > temporary > > > > > > > error and that the user should retry in a moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should also a button to retry so that people don't have to > > > > > > > > submit > > > > > > their > > > > > > > data again. I think that is necessary to make the entire process > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > as > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if there is a good way to let them choose a > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > payment > > > > > > > option. People will have to go back and type in everything again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this answers all the questions :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if there are any questions or concerns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Maurice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@i > > > > > > > > pfir > > > > > > > > e.or > > > > > > g> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and > > > > > > > > implement, > > > > > > > > > although > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is quite a busy time for everyone! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do have some questions/remarks though: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > excessive > > > > > > > > > for just two currencies. Just my two cents :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in > > > > > > > > Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > text > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the > > > > > > > > > box. > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > better, yet. I will think of that and update you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Changelog: > > > > > > > > > > Viewport M for donation page added > > > > > > > > > > Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L > > > > > > > > > > Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): > > > > > > > > > > icon-varified > > > > > > > > > > icon-varified-green > > > > > > > > > > icon-wireless > > > > > > > > > > icon-wireless-blue > > > > > > > > > > icon-arrow-down > > > > > > > > > > New icons added: > > > > > > > > > > icon-lock > > > > > > > > > > checkboxes > > > > > > > > > > radiobuttons > > > > > > > > > > amex > > > > > > > > > > mastercard > > > > > > > > > > visa > > > > > > > > > > From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a > > > > > > > > > > background. > > > > > > > > See > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Homepage" > > > > > > > > > > and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and > > > > > > > > avoid > > > > > > bugs I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope. > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't it? Please let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein > > > > > > > > <maurice.gesswein > > > > > > @ipf > > > > > > > > > > ir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e.or > > > > > > > > > > g> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/ > > > > > > > > > > > 25N8 > > > > > > > > DpW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein > > > > > > > > <maurice.gesswe > > > > > > in@i > > > > > > > > > > > pf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ire. > > > > > > > > > > > org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our > > > > > > > > biggest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viewport. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest will follow asap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20X > > > > > > > > > > > > L.pn > > > > > > > > g?dl > > > > > > =0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer > > > > > > > > <michael.tremer@ > > > > > > ipfi > > > > > > > > > > > > re > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .org > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put together some ideas for the donation page. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > > > > > basically get no donations any more outside of the > > > > > > > > wishlist > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > those are > > > > > > > > > > > > > frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since we a providing a good product here which > > > > > > > > > > > > > saves > > > > > > > > > > > > people a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of > > > > > > > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > > > > > we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > course it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be > > > > > > > > reminded > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we will now add some new features: We will allow > > > > > > > > donations > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > credit > > > > > > > > > > > > > card > > > > > > > > > > > > > and standing order to make this really hassle-free and > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > > > recurring > > > > > > > > > > > > > donations because some people prefer to give a small > > > > > > > > amount > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a big amount once a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will also remove the variety of currencies and just > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > EUR > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > > > > > USD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > US > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > EUR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible since we pay less fees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > > > > > recurring > > > > > > > > > > > > > donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the > > > > > > > > moment, > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to implement their API. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice. We > > > > > > > > > > > > > should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > enter what > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > recurring > > > > > > > > > > > > > donation is > > > > > > > > > > > > > picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > buttons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have to get the full name and address of the person > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > donates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons and secondly to get the payments through > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > credit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > card > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies validate those against their own database. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will also collect the email address to get in touch > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in the end the process will look like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > clicking > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > button > > > > > > > > > > > > > and selects the payment type. Click something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Donate > > > > > > > > > > > > Now". > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card > > > > > > > > stuff, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is probably a good example and done quite > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://donate.mozilla.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also written a few new texts that probably need > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > refinement, but should be a good start: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should I donate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We > > > > > > > > create a > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > > > firewall > > > > > > > > > > > > > distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > > > > > > do that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > the right tools for our developers to help them to > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > IPFire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donations from individuals and corporations are the > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > of our > > > > > > > > > > > > > services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, > > > > > > > > advertising, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purchase > > > > > > > > > > > > > equipment and to fund the work of the people behind > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by > > > > > > > > > > > > > large > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > corporations > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without > > > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporter > > > > > > > > > > > > > today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much should I give? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donations range from single digits donations to > > > > > > > > > > > > > hundreds. > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > to give something back to help this project to > > > > > > > > > > > > > succeed. If > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help, > > > > > > > > > > > > > please do so and encourage others to do so, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficulties > > > > > > > > > > > > > to donate or commonly asked questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should also be some area for the smallprint > > > > > > > > > > > > > since we > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > who they are donating to and that we don't do any > > > > > > > > > > > > > refunds, > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Maurice: Could you design a page like this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > frontend bits? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would develop the backend and the interfaces with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > payment > > > > > > > > > > > > > providers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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