Hello,
I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the problem that we basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and even those are frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost.
And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a lot of money we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is still free for everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded that this possibility exists.
So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via credit card and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will allow recurring donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each month instead of a big amount once a year.
We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR & USD and suggest depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for the US and Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR when ever possible since we pay less fees.
Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support recurring donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I think I will need to implement their API.
I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common practice. We should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people can enter what ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring donation is picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those buttons.
We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates for tax reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the credit card companies validate those against their own database.
We will also collect the email address to get in touch with people.
So in the end the process will look like this:
1) Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking on a button and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page
This is probably a good example and done quite similar: https://donate.mozilla.org/
I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little bit of refinement, but should be a good start:
Why should I donate?
We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free firewall distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the world. To do that, we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our users and provide the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire better every day.
Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to keep all of our services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising, purchase equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it.
Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large corporations and proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a supporter today!
How much should I give?
Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us it is important to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you want to help, please do so and encourage others to do so, too.
Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some difficulties to donate or commonly asked questions.
There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to tell people who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc.
@Maurice: Could you design a page like this?
@Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other frontend bits? I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment providers.
Best, -Michael
Hi,
due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time into the donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest viewport. Rest will follow asap.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl=0
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello,
I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the problem that we basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and even those are frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost.
And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a lot of money we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is still free for everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded that this possibility exists.
So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via credit card and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will allow recurring donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each month instead of a big amount once a year.
We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR & USD and suggest depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for the US and Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR when ever possible since we pay less fees.
Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support recurring donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I think I will need to implement their API.
I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common practice. We should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people can enter what ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring donation is picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those buttons.
We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates for tax reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the credit card companies validate those against their own database.
We will also collect the email address to get in touch with people.
So in the end the process will look like this:
- Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking on a
button and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page
This is probably a good example and done quite similar: https://donate.mozilla.org/
I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little bit of refinement, but should be a good start:
Why should I donate?
We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free firewall distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the world. To do that, we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our users and provide the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire better every day.
Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to keep all of our services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising, purchase equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it.
Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large corporations and proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a supporter today!
How much should I give?
Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us it is important to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you want to help, please do so and encourage others to do so, too.
Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some difficulties to donate or commonly asked questions.
There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to tell people who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc.
@Maurice: Could you design a page like this?
@Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other frontend bits? I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment providers.
Best, -Michael
Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8DpW
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein < maurice.gesswein@ipfire.org> wrote:
Hi,
due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time into the donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest viewport. Rest will follow asap.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl=0
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.org
wrote:
Hello,
I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the problem that we basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and even those are frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost.
And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a lot of money we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is still free for everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded that this possibility exists.
So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via credit card and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will allow recurring donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each month instead of a big amount once a year.
We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR & USD and suggest depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for the US and Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR when ever possible since we pay less fees.
Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support recurring donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I think I will need to implement their API.
I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common practice. We should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people can enter what ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring donation is picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those buttons.
We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates for tax reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the credit card companies validate those against their own database.
We will also collect the email address to get in touch with people.
So in the end the process will look like this:
- Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking on a
button and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page
This is probably a good example and done quite similar: https://donate.mozilla.org/
I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little bit of refinement, but should be a good start:
Why should I donate?
We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free firewall distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the world. To do that, we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our users and provide the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire better every day.
Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to keep all of our services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising, purchase equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it.
Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large corporations and proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a supporter today!
How much should I give?
Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us it is important to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you want to help, please do so and encourage others to do so, too.
Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some difficulties to donate or commonly asked questions.
There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to tell people who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc.
@Maurice: Could you design a page like this?
@Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other frontend bits? I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment providers.
Best, -Michael
Hi,
Changelog:
- Viewport M for donation page added - Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L - Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): - icon-varified - icon-varified-green - icon-wireless - icon-wireless-blue - icon-arrow-down - New icons added: - icon-lock - checkboxes - radiobuttons - amex - mastercard - visa - From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background. See "Homepage" and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and avoid bugs I hope. Doesn't it? Please let me know.
Best, Maurice
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein < maurice.gesswein@ipfire.org> wrote:
Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8DpW
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein < maurice.gesswein@ipfire.org> wrote:
Hi,
due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time into the donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest viewport. Rest will follow asap.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl=0
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer < michael.tremer@ipfire.org> wrote:
Hello,
I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the problem that we basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and even those are frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost.
And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a lot of money we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is still free for everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded that this possibility exists.
So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via credit card and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will allow recurring donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each month instead of a big amount once a year.
We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR & USD and suggest depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for the US and Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR when ever possible since we pay less fees.
Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support recurring donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I think I will need to implement their API.
I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common practice. We should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people can enter what ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring donation is picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those buttons.
We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates for tax reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the credit card companies validate those against their own database.
We will also collect the email address to get in touch with people.
So in the end the process will look like this:
- Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking on a
button and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page
This is probably a good example and done quite similar: https://donate.mozilla.org/
I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little bit of refinement, but should be a good start:
Why should I donate?
We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free firewall distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the world. To do that, we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our users and provide the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire better every day.
Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to keep all of our services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising, purchase equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it.
Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large corporations and proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a supporter today!
How much should I give?
Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us it is important to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you want to help, please do so and encourage others to do so, too.
Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some difficulties to donate or commonly asked questions.
There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to tell people who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc.
@Maurice: Could you design a page like this?
@Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other frontend bits? I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment providers.
Best, -Michael
Hello all,
thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from what he have had before.
I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and implement, although it is quite a busy time for everyone!
I do have some questions/remarks though:
* Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a bit excessive for just two currencies. Just my two cents :)
* One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that is only available for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in Europe.
* Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer the text that is under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the box. It also doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find anything better, yet. I will think of that and update you.
Best, -Michael
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi,
Changelog: Viewport M for donation page added Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): icon-varified icon-varified-green icon-wireless icon-wireless-blue icon-arrow-down New icons added: icon-lock checkboxes radiobuttons amex mastercard visa From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background. See "Homepage" and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and avoid bugs I hope. Doesn't it? Please let me know.
Best, Maurice
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswein@ipfire.or g> wrote:
Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8DpW
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswein@ipfire. org> wrote:
Hi,
due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time into the donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest viewport. Rest will follow asap.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl=0
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.org
wrote: Hello,
I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the problem that we basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and even those are frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost.
And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a lot of money we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is still free for everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded that this possibility exists.
So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via credit card and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will allow recurring donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each month instead of a big amount once a year.
We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR & USD and suggest depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for the US and Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR when ever possible since we pay less fees.
Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support recurring donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I think I will need to implement their API.
I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common practice. We should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people can enter what ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring donation is picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those buttons.
We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates for tax reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the credit card companies validate those against their own database.
We will also collect the email address to get in touch with people.
So in the end the process will look like this:
- Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking on a
button and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page
This is probably a good example and done quite similar: https://donate.mozilla.org/
I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little bit of refinement, but should be a good start:
Why should I donate?
We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free firewall distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the world. To do that, we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our users and provide the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire better every day.
Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to keep all of our services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising, purchase equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it.
Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large corporations and proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a supporter today!
How much should I give?
Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us it is important to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you want to help, please do so and encourage others to do so, too.
Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some difficulties to donate or commonly asked questions.
There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to tell people who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc.
@Maurice: Could you design a page like this?
@Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other frontend bits? I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment providers.
Best, -Michael
Hi all,
I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added the XS viewport in Zeplin.
Next up: • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings • Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type in? • Success page
Question: What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble something, please?
Let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello all,
thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from what he have had before.
I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and implement, although it is quite a busy time for everyone!
I do have some questions/remarks though:
- Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a bit
excessive for just two currencies. Just my two cents :)
- One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that is only
available for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in Europe.
- Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer the text
that is under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the box. It also doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find anything better, yet. I will think of that and update you.
Best, -Michael
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi,
Changelog: Viewport M for donation page added Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): icon-varified icon-varified-green icon-wireless icon-wireless-blue icon-arrow-down New icons added: icon-lock checkboxes radiobuttons amex mastercard visa From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background. See
"Homepage"
and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and avoid bugs I
hope.
Doesn't it? Please let me know.
Best, Maurice
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswein@ipfire.or
g> wrote:
Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8DpW
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswein@ipfire.
org> wrote:
Hi,
due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time into
the
donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest
viewport.
Rest will follow asap.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl=0
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer <
michael.tremer@ipfire.org
wrote: Hello,
I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the
problem
that we basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and
even
those are frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost.
And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a
lot of
money we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is
still free
for everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded
that this
possibility exists.
So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via
credit
card and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will
allow
recurring donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each
month
instead of a big amount once a year.
We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR &
USD and
suggest depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for
the US
and Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR
when
ever possible since we pay less fees.
Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support recurring donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I
think
I will need to implement their API.
I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common practice. We should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people
can
enter what ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring donation is picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those buttons.
We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates
for
tax reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the
credit card
companies validate those against their own database.
We will also collect the email address to get in touch with people.
So in the end the process will look like this:
- Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking
on a
button and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page
This is probably a good example and done quite similar: https://donate.mozilla.org/
I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little
bit of
refinement, but should be a good start:
Why should I donate?
We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free firewall distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the
world. To
do that, we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our
users and
provide the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire
better
every day.
Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to
keep all
of our services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising,
purchase
equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it.
Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large
corporations
and proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a supporter today!
How much should I give?
Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us
it is
important to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you
want to
help, please do so and encourage others to do so, too.
Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some difficulties to donate or commonly asked questions.
There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to
tell
people who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc.
@Maurice: Could you design a page like this?
@Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other frontend bits? I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment providers.
Best, -Michael
Hi,
great that things are moving along...
On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 23:57 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi all,
I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added the XS viewport in Zeplin.
Next up: • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings
What misunderstandings?
• Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type in?
In all cases people need to type in:
First Name, Last Name Company Name (optional) Address Line 1 Address Line 2 Country (Probably as a dropdown)
We *never* take any credit card or bank account details. That is only typed in on the website of the payment provider.
We cannot even verify the address much, but we should make sure that people typed in something into every field except Address Line 2.
• Success page
Question: What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble something, please?
There is probably two ways:
a) The transaction was successful and we should redirect the user to a page that says "Thank You"
b) The transaction was not successful and we should show a useful error to the user which we will get from the payment provider. For example that the credit card has been declined or that the payment provider is experiencing a temporary error and that the user should retry in a moment.
There should also a button to retry so that people don't have to submit their data again. I think that is necessary to make the entire process as easy as possible.
I am not sure if there is a good way to let them choose a different payment option. People will have to go back and type in everything again.
Hope this answers all the questions :)
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello all,
thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from what he have had before.
I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and implement, although it is quite a busy time for everyone!
I do have some questions/remarks though:
- Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a bit
excessive for just two currencies. Just my two cents :)
- One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that is only
available for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in Europe.
- Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer the text that
is under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the box. It also doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find anything better, yet. I will think of that and update you.
Best, -Michael
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi,
Changelog: Viewport M for donation page added Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): icon-varified icon-varified-green icon-wireless icon-wireless-blue icon-arrow-down New icons added: icon-lock checkboxes radiobuttons amex mastercard visa From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background. See
"Homepage"
and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and avoid bugs I
hope.
Doesn't it? Please let me know.
Best, Maurice
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswein@ipfir
e.or
g> wrote:
Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8DpW
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswein@ipf
ire.
org> wrote:
Hi,
due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time into
the
donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest
viewport.
Rest will follow asap.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl=0
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire
.org
wrote: Hello,
I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the problem that we basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and even those are frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost.
And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a
lot of
money we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is still
free
for everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded that
this
possibility exists.
So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via
credit
card and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will allow recurring donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each
month
instead of a big amount once a year.
We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR & USD
and
suggest depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for the
US
and Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR
when
ever possible since we pay less fees.
Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support recurring donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I
think
I will need to implement their API.
I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common practice. We should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people
can
enter what ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring donation is picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those buttons.
We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates
for
tax reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the credit
card
companies validate those against their own database.
We will also collect the email address to get in touch with people.
So in the end the process will look like this:
- Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking on
a
button and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page
This is probably a good example and done quite similar: https://donate.mozilla.org/
I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little bit
of
refinement, but should be a good start:
Why should I donate?
We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free firewall distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the world.
To
do that, we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our users
and
provide the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire
better
every day.
Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to keep
all
of our services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising,
purchase
equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it.
Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large
corporations
and proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a supporter today!
How much should I give?
Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us it
is
important to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you want
to
help, please do so and encourage others to do so, too.
Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some difficulties to donate or commonly asked questions.
There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to
tell
people who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc.
@Maurice: Could you design a page like this?
@Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other frontend bits? I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment providers.
Best, -Michael
Hello guys,
because I am a little bit lost at the moment I would like to restart conversation again and check where everyone is at right now.
I had a brief email exchange with Sven and he is a bit busy this weekend but should have more time available next week. But I thought in the end it is easiest to use this list so nobody misses anything.
I would still like to push for a release of the website as soon as we can, but that doesn't mean I want to build up pressure. I just want to make sure that things are moving a long and that we get a minimum "product" ready to release and constantly keep improving this then.
Overall this seems to be a bit bigger than I thought in the beginning, so we need to break it down a bit further.
So the areas of attention are:
* Completing the donation page. Here we need the address inputs as far as I can see and the mentioned S viewport.
* Index & Features look complete for me
* Sven has already fixed the talk pages which are for internal use only and I think this will do for the moment. I have a few ideas how to make this better, but is not a priority for now.
* One of the bigger things (in terms of traffic) is the planet. I think this should not be too much work to make this "nice". It is working right now, but there is clearly a break of look & feel. But basically it has two pages which are very similar. I think to make that really nice, this shouldn't be too much extra work to be put in.
So can we put those two things (finishing the donation page & planet) on the list for the upcoming few weeks?
Is anyone working on other things at the moment? Just shoot me a quick email.
Best, -Michael
On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 12:37 +0000, Michael Tremer wrote:
Hi,
great that things are moving along...
On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 23:57 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi all,
I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added the XS viewport in Zeplin.
Next up: • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings
What misunderstandings?
• Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type in?
In all cases people need to type in:
First Name, Last Name Company Name (optional) Address Line 1 Address Line 2 Country (Probably as a dropdown)
We *never* take any credit card or bank account details. That is only typed in on the website of the payment provider.
We cannot even verify the address much, but we should make sure that people typed in something into every field except Address Line 2.
• Success page
Question: What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble something, please?
There is probably two ways:
a) The transaction was successful and we should redirect the user to a page that says "Thank You"
b) The transaction was not successful and we should show a useful error to the user which we will get from the payment provider. For example that the credit card has been declined or that the payment provider is experiencing a temporary error and that the user should retry in a moment.
There should also a button to retry so that people don't have to submit their data again. I think that is necessary to make the entire process as easy as possible.
I am not sure if there is a good way to let them choose a different payment option. People will have to go back and type in everything again.
Hope this answers all the questions :)
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello all,
thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from what he have had before.
I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and implement, although it is quite a busy time for everyone!
I do have some questions/remarks though:
- Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a bit
excessive for just two currencies. Just my two cents :)
- One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that is only
available for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in Europe.
- Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer the text
that is under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the box. It also doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find anything better, yet. I will think of that and update you.
Best, -Michael
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi,
Changelog: Viewport M for donation page added Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): icon-varified icon-varified-green icon-wireless icon-wireless-blue icon-arrow-down New icons added: icon-lock checkboxes radiobuttons amex mastercard visa From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background. See
"Homepage"
and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and avoid bugs I
hope.
Doesn't it? Please let me know.
Best, Maurice
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswein@ipf ir
e.or
g> wrote:
Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8DpW
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswein@i pf
ire.
org> wrote:
Hi,
due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time into
the
donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest
viewport.
Rest will follow asap.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl=0
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfi re
.org
> wrote: > Hello, > > I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the > problem > that we > basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist and > even > those are > frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost. > > And since we a providing a good product here which saves people a
lot of
> money > we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is > still
free
> for > everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded > that
this
> possibility exists. > > So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations via
credit
> card > and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will > allow > recurring > donations because some people prefer to give a small amount each
month
> instead > of a big amount once a year. > > We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR & > USD
and
> suggest > depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default for > the
US
> and > Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use EUR
when
> ever > possible since we pay less fees. > > Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which support > recurring > donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment, but I
think
> I will > need to implement their API. > > I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be common > practice. We > should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where people
can
> enter what > ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a recurring > donation is > picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those > buttons. > > We have to get the full name and address of the person who donates
for
> tax > reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the > credit
card
> companies validate those against their own database. > > We will also collect the email address to get in touch with > people. > > So in the end the process will look like this: > > 1) Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by clicking > on
a
> button > and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate Now". > 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. > 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff, etc. > 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page > > This is probably a good example and done quite similar: > https://donate.mozilla.org/ > > I have also written a few new texts that probably need a little > bit
of
> refinement, but should be a good start: > > > Why should I donate? > > We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a free > firewall > distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the > world.
To
> do that, > we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our > users
and
> provide > the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire
better
> every day. > > Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way to > keep
all
> of our > services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising,
purchase
> equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it. > > Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large
corporations
> and > proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you. Become a > supporter > today! > > > How much should I give? > > Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For us > it
is
> important > to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you > want
to
> help, > please do so and encourage others to do so, too. > > > Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have some > difficulties > to donate or commonly asked questions. > > There should also be some area for the smallprint since we need to
tell
> people > who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds, etc. > > @Maurice: Could you design a page like this? > > @Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all other > frontend bits? > I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the payment > providers. > > Best, > -Michael
Hey folks,
I pushed some updated Donation screens and new ones to Zeplin.
Changelog:
- PayPal added - Viewport S added - Dialogs for personal data added - Success and Failed page added - New icons and PayPal Logo added to Assets sheet.
Can we please move the text of "Why should I donate?" and "How much should I give?" to the bottom next to the FAQ again? I understand that you want all the information above the "fold". That works OK somehow in Viewport XL but the dark sidebar becomes longer and longer in smaller viewports. This results in a lot of unwanted whitespace and the FAQ are far away. As a trade-off I kept the headlines in the dark sidebar and placed jumpmark icons next to it.
After I read your last mail it seems to be that the Blog/Planet is pretty popular. Is this true? If so, should the link to the Planet not a lot more prominent? What about place "Planet" or "Blog" in the Topbar?
Layout and design of the Blog is straight forward. I'll focus on this now. It would help me a lot if you can point me to some sample articles where I can see *ALL* different textformatations which are needed. Or write down a list like: H1, H2, H3, bulletpoints, code, quote, highlight, etc.
Let me know if there are any questions.
Best, Maurice
On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello guys,
because I am a little bit lost at the moment I would like to restart conversation again and check where everyone is at right now.
I had a brief email exchange with Sven and he is a bit busy this weekend but should have more time available next week. But I thought in the end it is easiest to use this list so nobody misses anything.
I would still like to push for a release of the website as soon as we can, but that doesn't mean I want to build up pressure. I just want to make sure that things are moving a long and that we get a minimum "product" ready to release and constantly keep improving this then.
Overall this seems to be a bit bigger than I thought in the beginning, so we need to break it down a bit further.
So the areas of attention are:
- Completing the donation page. Here we need the address inputs as far as
I can see and the mentioned S viewport.
Index & Features look complete for me
Sven has already fixed the talk pages which are for internal use only
and I think this will do for the moment. I have a few ideas how to make this better, but is not a priority for now.
- One of the bigger things (in terms of traffic) is the planet. I think
this should not be too much work to make this "nice". It is working right now, but there is clearly a break of look & feel. But basically it has two pages which are very similar. I think to make that really nice, this shouldn't be too much extra work to be put in.
So can we put those two things (finishing the donation page & planet) on the list for the upcoming few weeks?
Is anyone working on other things at the moment? Just shoot me a quick email.
Best, -Michael
On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 12:37 +0000, Michael Tremer wrote:
Hi,
great that things are moving along...
On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 23:57 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi all,
I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added the XS viewport in Zeplin.
Next up: • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings
What misunderstandings?
• Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type in?
In all cases people need to type in:
First Name, Last Name Company Name (optional) Address Line 1 Address Line 2 Country (Probably as a dropdown)
We *never* take any credit card or bank account details. That is only
typed in
on the website of the payment provider.
We cannot even verify the address much, but we should make sure that
people
typed in something into every field except Address Line 2.
• Success page
Question: What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble something, please?
There is probably two ways:
a) The transaction was successful and we should redirect the user to a
page
that says "Thank You"
b) The transaction was not successful and we should show a useful error
to the
user which we will get from the payment provider. For example that the
credit
card has been declined or that the payment provider is experiencing a temporary error and that the user should retry in a moment.
There should also a button to retry so that people don't have to submit
their
data again. I think that is necessary to make the entire process as easy
as
possible.
I am not sure if there is a good way to let them choose a different
payment
option. People will have to go back and type in everything again.
Hope this answers all the questions :)
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer <
michael.tremer@ipfire.org>
wrote:
Hello all,
thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from what he
have
had before.
I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and implement, although it is quite a busy time for everyone!
I do have some questions/remarks though:
- Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a bit
excessive for just two currencies. Just my two cents :)
- One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that is
only
available for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in Europe.
- Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer the
text
that is under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the box. It
also
doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find
anything
better, yet. I will think of that and update you.
Best, -Michael
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi,
Changelog: Viewport M for donation page added Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): icon-varified icon-varified-green icon-wireless icon-wireless-blue icon-arrow-down New icons added: icon-lock checkboxes radiobuttons amex mastercard visa From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background. See
"Homepage"
and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and avoid
bugs I
hope.
Doesn't it? Please let me know.
Best, Maurice
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswein@ipf
ir
e.or
g> wrote:
Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin.
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswein@i
pf
ire.
org> wrote: > Hi, > > due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time
into
the
> donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our
biggest
viewport.
> Rest will follow asap. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%
20XL.png?dl=0
> > Best, Maurice > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer
<michael.tremer@ipfi
> re
.org
> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the > > problem > > that we > > basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist
and
> > even > > those are > > frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost. > > > > And since we a providing a good product here which saves
people a
lot of
> > money > > we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is > > still
free
> > for > > everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be
reminded
> > that
this
> > possibility exists. > > > > So we will now add some new features: We will allow
donations via
credit
> > card > > and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we
will
> > allow > > recurring > > donations because some people prefer to give a small amount
each
month
> > instead > > of a big amount once a year. > > > > We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use
EUR &
> > USD
and
> > suggest > > depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default
for
> > the
US
> > and > > Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use
EUR
when
> > ever > > possible since we pay less fees. > > > > Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which
support
> > recurring > > donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment,
but I
think
> > I will > > need to implement their API. > > > > I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be
common
> > practice. We > > should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where
people
can
> > enter what > > ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a
recurring
> > donation is > > picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those > > buttons. > > > > We have to get the full name and address of the person who
donates
for
> > tax > > reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the > > credit
card
> > companies validate those against their own database. > > > > We will also collect the email address to get in touch with > > people. > > > > So in the end the process will look like this: > > > > 1) Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by
clicking
> > on
a
> > button > > and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate
Now".
> > 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. > > 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff,
etc.
> > 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page > > > > This is probably a good example and done quite similar: > > https://donate.mozilla.org/ > > > > I have also written a few new texts that probably need a
little
> > bit
of
> > refinement, but should be a good start: > > > > > > Why should I donate? > > > > We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create
a free
> > firewall > > distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the > > world.
To
> > do that, > > we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our > > users
and
> > provide > > the right tools for our developers to help them to make
IPFire
better
> > every day. > > > > Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way
to
> > keep
all
> > of our > > services free for everyone. They pay for hosting,
advertising,
purchase
> > equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it. > > > > Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large
corporations
> > and > > proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you.
Become a
> > supporter > > today! > > > > > > How much should I give? > > > > Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds.
For us
> > it
is
> > important > > to give something back to help this project to succeed. If
you
> > want
to
> > help, > > please do so and encourage others to do so, too. > > > > > > Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have
some
> > difficulties > > to donate or commonly asked questions. > > > > There should also be some area for the smallprint since we
need to
tell
> > people > > who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds,
etc.
> > > > @Maurice: Could you design a page like this? > > > > @Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all
other
> > frontend bits? > > I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the
payment
> > providers. > > > > Best, > > -Michael
Hello,
On Thu, 2018-02-15 at 22:47 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hey folks,
great that things are moving along! You did a lot in the past days :)
I pushed some updated Donation screens and new ones to Zeplin.
Changelog: PayPal added
Great. I will think about the order because I am not sure if PayPal supports recurring donations and bank transfers are way cheaper for us.
Viewport S added
Looks very good.
Dialogs for personal data added
This looks good, but shows arrows where the country can be selected. Potentially we need to add a few lines of smallprint at the bottom that tells people why we need this infomation. I would assume that many will ask for that. Or should we put that into the smallprint on the main donation page?
Success and Failed page added
!!!
New icons and PayPal Logo added to Assets sheet.
Can we please move the text of "Why should I donate?" and "How much should I give?" to the bottom next to the FAQ again? I understand that you want all the information above the "fold". That works OK somehow in Viewport XL but the dark sidebar becomes longer and longer in smaller viewports. This results in a lot of unwanted whitespace and the FAQ are far away. As a trade-off I kept the headlines in the dark sidebar and placed jumpmark icons next to it.
Yes, please move this to where you think it is best. The text is not finalised yet and I will make this work later then. It would just be nice to have some area with text that everyone reads and where we encourage people to give (more :D) and some smallprint that just has to be there but nobody cares too much about.
I suppose as soon as Sven has implemented it all, I will check out the branch and write the texts and then we merge everything together.
After I read your last mail it seems to be that the Blog/Planet is pretty popular. Is this true? If so, should the link to the Planet not a lot more prominent? What about place "Planet" or "Blog" in the Topbar?
Should we even rename it "Blog"? That would be more obvious since it is not really a "planet" which used to be an aggregated RSS feed like Debian still has: https://planet.debian.org/
It is quite a nice news outlet for not too important news that are mainly interesting for people who are involved a bit more into the project. It's about development and what we are doing.
Layout and design of the Blog is straight forward. I'll focus on this now. It would help me a lot if you can point me to some sample articles where I can see ALL different textformatations which are needed. Or write down a list like: H1, H2, H3, bulletpoints, code, quote, highlight, etc.
I made you an extra article about that which isn't published. That should also help Sven to implement this and see everything on one page. Exactly how it will look.
https://planet.ipfire.org/post/test
I think I didn't forget anything. But if I did, please let me know.
Obviously the blue bar at the top will disappear when a post has been published :)
Hope this is all you need from me right now. Let me know if I can do anything else!
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions.
Best, Maurice
On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello guys,
because I am a little bit lost at the moment I would like to restart conversation again and check where everyone is at right now.
I had a brief email exchange with Sven and he is a bit busy this weekend but should have more time available next week. But I thought in the end it is easiest to use this list so nobody misses anything.
I would still like to push for a release of the website as soon as we can, but that doesn't mean I want to build up pressure. I just want to make sure that things are moving a long and that we get a minimum "product" ready to release and constantly keep improving this then.
Overall this seems to be a bit bigger than I thought in the beginning, so we need to break it down a bit further.
So the areas of attention are:
- Completing the donation page. Here we need the address inputs as far as I
can see and the mentioned S viewport.
Index & Features look complete for me
Sven has already fixed the talk pages which are for internal use only and
I think this will do for the moment. I have a few ideas how to make this better, but is not a priority for now.
- One of the bigger things (in terms of traffic) is the planet. I think this
should not be too much work to make this "nice". It is working right now, but there is clearly a break of look & feel. But basically it has two pages which are very similar. I think to make that really nice, this shouldn't be too much extra work to be put in.
So can we put those two things (finishing the donation page & planet) on the list for the upcoming few weeks?
Is anyone working on other things at the moment? Just shoot me a quick email.
Best, -Michael
On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 12:37 +0000, Michael Tremer wrote:
Hi,
great that things are moving along...
On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 23:57 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi all,
I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added the XS viewport in Zeplin.
Next up: • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings
What misunderstandings?
• Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type in?
In all cases people need to type in:
First Name, Last Name Company Name (optional) Address Line 1 Address Line 2 Country (Probably as a dropdown)
We *never* take any credit card or bank account details. That is only
typed in
on the website of the payment provider.
We cannot even verify the address much, but we should make sure that
people
typed in something into every field except Address Line 2.
• Success page
Question: What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble something, please?
There is probably two ways:
a) The transaction was successful and we should redirect the user to a
page
that says "Thank You"
b) The transaction was not successful and we should show a useful error to
the
user which we will get from the payment provider. For example that the
credit
card has been declined or that the payment provider is experiencing a temporary error and that the user should retry in a moment.
There should also a button to retry so that people don't have to submit
their
data again. I think that is necessary to make the entire process as easy
as
possible.
I am not sure if there is a good way to let them choose a different
payment
option. People will have to go back and type in everything again.
Hope this answers all the questions :)
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.or
g>
wrote:
Hello all,
thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from what he
have
had before.
I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and implement, although it is quite a busy time for everyone!
I do have some questions/remarks though:
- Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a bit
excessive for just two currencies. Just my two cents :)
- One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that is only
available for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in Europe.
- Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer the text
that is under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the box. It
also
doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find
anything
better, yet. I will think of that and update you.
Best, -Michael
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi,
Changelog: Viewport M for donation page added Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): icon-varified icon-varified-green icon-wireless icon-wireless-blue icon-arrow-down New icons added: icon-lock checkboxes radiobuttons amex mastercard visa From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background. See
"Homepage"
and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and avoid
bugs I
hope.
Doesn't it? Please let me know.
Best, Maurice
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswein
@ipf
ir
e.or
g> wrote: > Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8DpW > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein <maurice.gesswe
in@i
> pf
ire.
> org> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much time
into
the
> > donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our biggest
viewport.
> > Rest will follow asap. > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.png?dl
=0
> > > > Best, Maurice > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@
ipfi
> > re
.org
> > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have the > > > problem > > > that we > > > basically get no donations any more outside of the wishlist
and
> > > even > > > those are > > > frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost. > > > > > > And since we a providing a good product here which saves
people a
lot of
> > > money > > > we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it is > > > still
free
> > > for > > > everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be reminded > > > that
this
> > > possibility exists. > > > > > > So we will now add some new features: We will allow donations
via
credit
> > > card > > > and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we will > > > allow > > > recurring > > > donations because some people prefer to give a small amount
each
month
> > > instead > > > of a big amount once a year. > > > > > > We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use EUR
&
> > > USD
and
> > > suggest > > > depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be default
for
> > > the
US
> > > and > > > Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to use
EUR
when
> > > ever > > > possible since we pay less fees. > > > > > > Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which
support
> > > recurring > > > donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the moment,
but I
think
> > > I will > > > need to implement their API. > > > > > > I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to be
common
> > > practice. We > > > should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where
people
can
> > > enter what > > > ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a
recurring
> > > donation is > > > picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those > > > buttons. > > > > > > We have to get the full name and address of the person who
donates
for
> > > tax > > > reasons and secondly to get the payments through because the > > > credit
card
> > > companies validate those against their own database. > > > > > > We will also collect the email address to get in touch with > > > people. > > > > > > So in the end the process will look like this: > > > > > > 1) Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by
clicking
> > > on
a
> > > button > > > and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate
Now".
> > > 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. > > > 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card stuff,
etc.
> > > 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page > > > > > > This is probably a good example and done quite similar: > > > https://donate.mozilla.org/ > > > > > > I have also written a few new texts that probably need a
little
> > > bit
of
> > > refinement, but should be a good start: > > > > > > > > > Why should I donate? > > > > > > We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We create a
free
> > > firewall > > > distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in the > > > world.
To
> > > do that, > > > we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to our > > > users
and
> > > provide > > > the right tools for our developers to help them to make IPFire
better
> > > every day. > > > > > > Donations from individuals and corporations are the only way
to
> > > keep
all
> > > of our > > > services free for everyone. They pay for hosting, advertising,
purchase
> > > equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it. > > > > > > Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large
corporations
> > > and > > > proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you.
Become a
> > > supporter > > > today! > > > > > > > > > How much should I give? > > > > > > Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds. For
us
> > > it
is
> > > important > > > to give something back to help this project to succeed. If you > > > want
to
> > > help, > > > please do so and encourage others to do so, too. > > > > > > > > > Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people have
some
> > > difficulties > > > to donate or commonly asked questions. > > > > > > There should also be some area for the smallprint since we
need to
tell
> > > people > > > who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds,
etc.
> > > > > > @Maurice: Could you design a page like this? > > > > > > @Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and all
other
> > > frontend bits? > > > I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the
payment
> > > providers. > > > > > > Best, > > > -Michael
Great. I will think about the order because I am not sure if PayPal supports recurring donations and bank transfers are way cheaper for us.
PayPal should only be visible if "One time" is selected. I added a note for that within Zeplin. For me it doesn't matter on which position it is displayed. I assume if it's placed at the far right position that's the easiest way for Sven.
This looks good, but shows arrows where the country can be selected.
Potentially we need to add a few lines of smallprint at the bottom that tells people why we need this infomation. I would assume that many will ask for that. Or should we put that into the smallprint on the main donation page?
I added a dummytext within the dialogs.
Should we even rename it "Blog"? That would be more obvious since it is not really a "planet" which used to be an aggregated RSS feed like Debian still has: https://planet.debian.org/
I would use "Blog". It's more common these days. Only Grandpas like us knows what "Planet" means ;)
I made you an extra article about that which isn't published. That should
also help Sven to implement this and see everything on one page. Exactly how it will look. https://planet.ipfire.org/post/test
Perfect! Thanks.
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, 2018-02-15 at 22:47 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hey folks,
great that things are moving along! You did a lot in the past days :)
I pushed some updated Donation screens and new ones to Zeplin.
Changelog: PayPal added
Great. I will think about the order because I am not sure if PayPal supports recurring donations and bank transfers are way cheaper for us.
Viewport S added
Looks very good.
Dialogs for personal data added
This looks good, but shows arrows where the country can be selected. Potentially we need to add a few lines of smallprint at the bottom that tells people why we need this infomation. I would assume that many will ask for that. Or should we put that into the smallprint on the main donation page?
Success and Failed page added
!!!
New icons and PayPal Logo added to Assets sheet.
Can we please move the text of "Why should I donate?" and "How much
should I
give?" to the bottom next to the FAQ again? I understand that you want
all the
information above the "fold". That works OK somehow in Viewport XL but
the
dark sidebar becomes longer and longer in smaller viewports. This
results in a
lot of unwanted whitespace and the FAQ are far away. As a trade-off I
kept the
headlines in the dark sidebar and placed jumpmark icons next to it.
Yes, please move this to where you think it is best. The text is not finalised yet and I will make this work later then. It would just be nice to have some area with text that everyone reads and where we encourage people to give (more :D) and some smallprint that just has to be there but nobody cares too much about.
I suppose as soon as Sven has implemented it all, I will check out the branch and write the texts and then we merge everything together.
After I read your last mail it seems to be that the Blog/Planet is pretty popular. Is this true? If so, should the link to the Planet not a lot
more
prominent? What about place "Planet" or "Blog" in the Topbar?
Should we even rename it "Blog"? That would be more obvious since it is not really a "planet" which used to be an aggregated RSS feed like Debian still has: https://planet.debian.org/
It is quite a nice news outlet for not too important news that are mainly interesting for people who are involved a bit more into the project. It's about development and what we are doing.
Layout and design of the Blog is straight forward. I'll focus on this
now. It
would help me a lot if you can point me to some sample articles where I
can
see ALL different textformatations which are needed. Or write down a list like: H1, H2, H3, bulletpoints, code, quote, highlight, etc.
I made you an extra article about that which isn't published. That should also help Sven to implement this and see everything on one page. Exactly how it will look.
https://planet.ipfire.org/post/test
I think I didn't forget anything. But if I did, please let me know.
Obviously the blue bar at the top will disappear when a post has been published :)
Hope this is all you need from me right now. Let me know if I can do anything else!
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions.
Best, Maurice
On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Michael Tremer <
michael.tremer@ipfire.org>
wrote:
Hello guys,
because I am a little bit lost at the moment I would like to restart conversation again and check where everyone is at right now.
I had a brief email exchange with Sven and he is a bit busy this
weekend but
should have more time available next week. But I thought in the end it
is
easiest to use this list so nobody misses anything.
I would still like to push for a release of the website as soon as we
can,
but that doesn't mean I want to build up pressure. I just want to make
sure that
things are moving a long and that we get a minimum "product" ready to release and constantly keep improving this then.
Overall this seems to be a bit bigger than I thought in the beginning,
so we
need to break it down a bit further.
So the areas of attention are:
- Completing the donation page. Here we need the address inputs as far
as I
can see and the mentioned S viewport.
Index & Features look complete for me
Sven has already fixed the talk pages which are for internal use
only and
I think this will do for the moment. I have a few ideas how to make this better, but is not a priority for now.
- One of the bigger things (in terms of traffic) is the planet. I
think this
should not be too much work to make this "nice". It is working right
now,
but there is clearly a break of look & feel. But basically it has two pages which are very similar. I think to make that really nice, this shouldn't be
too
much extra work to be put in.
So can we put those two things (finishing the donation page & planet)
on the
list for the upcoming few weeks?
Is anyone working on other things at the moment? Just shoot me a quick email.
Best, -Michael
On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 12:37 +0000, Michael Tremer wrote:
Hi,
great that things are moving along...
On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 23:57 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi all,
I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added
the XS
viewport in Zeplin.
Next up: • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings
What misunderstandings?
• Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type in?
In all cases people need to type in:
First Name, Last Name Company Name (optional) Address Line 1 Address Line 2 Country (Probably as a dropdown)
We *never* take any credit card or bank account details. That is only
typed in
on the website of the payment provider.
We cannot even verify the address much, but we should make sure that
people
typed in something into every field except Address Line 2.
• Success page
Question: What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble
something,
please?
There is probably two ways:
a) The transaction was successful and we should redirect the user to
a
page
that says "Thank You"
b) The transaction was not successful and we should show a useful
error to
the
user which we will get from the payment provider. For example that
the
credit
card has been declined or that the payment provider is experiencing a temporary error and that the user should retry in a moment.
There should also a button to retry so that people don't have to
submit
their
data again. I think that is necessary to make the entire process as
easy
as
possible.
I am not sure if there is a good way to let them choose a different
payment
option. People will have to go back and type in everything again.
Hope this answers all the questions :)
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer
<michael.tremer@ipfire.or
g>
wrote:
Hello all,
thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from
what he
have
had before.
I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and
implement,
although it is quite a busy time for everyone!
I do have some questions/remarks though:
- Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a
bit
excessive for just two currencies. Just my two cents :)
- One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that
is only
available for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in
Europe.
- Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer
the text
that is under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the
box. It
also
doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find
anything
better, yet. I will think of that and update you.
Best, -Michael
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > Hi, > > Changelog: > Viewport M for donation page added > Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L > Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): > icon-varified > icon-varified-green > icon-wireless > icon-wireless-blue > icon-arrow-down > New icons added: > icon-lock > checkboxes > radiobuttons > amex > mastercard > visa > From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a
background. See
"Homepage" > and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and
avoid
bugs I
hope. > Doesn't it? Please let me know. > > Best, Maurice > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswein
@ipf
> ir
e.or > g> wrote: > > Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin.
> > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswe
in@i
> > pf
ire. > > org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much
time
into
the > > > donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our
biggest
viewport. > > > Rest will follow asap. > > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%
20XL.png?dl
=0
> > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer
<michael.tremer@
ipfi
> > > re
.org > > > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have
the
> > > > problem > > > > that we > > > > basically get no donations any more outside of the
wishlist
and
> > > > even > > > > those are > > > > frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost. > > > > > > > > And since we a providing a good product here which saves
people a
lot of > > > > money > > > > we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course
it is
> > > > still
free > > > > for > > > > everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be
reminded
> > > > that
this > > > > possibility exists. > > > > > > > > So we will now add some new features: We will allow
donations
via
credit > > > > card > > > > and standing order to make this really hassle-free and
we will
> > > > allow > > > > recurring > > > > donations because some people prefer to give a small
amount
each
month > > > > instead > > > > of a big amount once a year. > > > > > > > > We will also remove the variety of currencies and just
use EUR
&
> > > > USD
and > > > > suggest > > > > depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be
default
for
> > > > the
US > > > > and > > > > Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to
use
EUR
when > > > > ever > > > > possible since we pay less fees. > > > > > > > > Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which
support
> > > > recurring > > > > donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the
moment,
but I
think > > > > I will > > > > need to implement their API. > > > > > > > > I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to
be
common
> > > > practice. We > > > > should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option
where
people
can > > > > enter what > > > > ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a
recurring
> > > > donation is > > > > picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on
those
> > > > buttons. > > > > > > > > We have to get the full name and address of the person
who
donates
for > > > > tax > > > > reasons and secondly to get the payments through because
the
> > > > credit
card > > > > companies validate those against their own database. > > > > > > > > We will also collect the email address to get in touch
with
> > > > people. > > > > > > > > So in the end the process will look like this: > > > > > > > > 1) Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by
clicking
> > > > on
a > > > > button > > > > and selects the payment type. Click something like
"Donate
Now".
> > > > 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. > > > > 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card
stuff,
etc.
> > > > 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page > > > > > > > > This is probably a good example and done quite similar: > > > > https://donate.mozilla.org/ > > > > > > > > I have also written a few new texts that probably need a
little
> > > > bit
of > > > > refinement, but should be a good start: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should I donate? > > > > > > > > We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We
create a
free
> > > > firewall > > > > distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere
in the
> > > > world.
To > > > > do that, > > > > we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it
to our
> > > > users
and > > > > provide > > > > the right tools for our developers to help them to make
IPFire
better > > > > every day. > > > > > > > > Donations from individuals and corporations are the only
way
to
> > > > keep
all > > > > of our > > > > services free for everyone. They pay for hosting,
advertising,
purchase > > > > equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it. > > > > > > > > Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large
corporations > > > > and > > > > proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you.
Become a
> > > > supporter > > > > today! > > > > > > > > > > > > How much should I give? > > > > > > > > Donations range from single digits donations to
hundreds. For
us
> > > > it
is > > > > important > > > > to give something back to help this project to succeed.
If you
> > > > want
to > > > > help, > > > > please do so and encourage others to do so, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people
have
some
> > > > difficulties > > > > to donate or commonly asked questions. > > > > > > > > There should also be some area for the smallprint since
we
need to
tell > > > > people > > > > who they are donating to and that we don't do any
refunds,
etc.
> > > > > > > > @Maurice: Could you design a page like this? > > > > > > > > @Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and
all
other
> > > > frontend bits? > > > > I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the
payment
> > > > providers. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > -Michael > >
Hi,
On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 22:39 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Great. I will think about the order because I am not sure if PayPal supports recurring donations and bank transfers are way cheaper for us.
PayPal should only be visible if "One time" is selected. I added a note for that within Zeplin. For me it doesn't matter on which position it is displayed. I assume if it's placed at the far right position that's the easiest way for Sven.
Agreed.
I will still investigate how we can do the full monty with PayPal as well. I do not like them at all, but right now > 90% of our donations come through it. So the decision is easy to make :)
This looks good, but shows arrows where the country can be selected. Potentially we need to add a few lines of smallprint at the bottom that tells people why we need this infomation. I would assume that many will ask for that. Or should we put that into the smallprint on the main donation page?
I added a dummytext within the dialogs.
Perfect.
Should we even rename it "Blog"? That would be more obvious since it is not really a "planet" which used to be an aggregated RSS feed like Debian still has: https://planet.debian.org/
I would use "Blog". It's more common these days. Only Grandpas like us knows what "Planet" means ;)
Okay, let's rename it then. I have never considered this before, but it actually sounds way better to me to call this Blog now.
I will do the backend stuff when Sven is done with the frontend. Or should we do it the other way round?
What I also saw yesterday, the formatting of the blog should also be used for the main news like these:
https://www.ipfire.org/news/ipfire-2-19-core-update-118-released
We also have this sub-page https://www.ipfire.org/news. Not sure what to do with it. It is not very useful, but without it there is no way to access previous news.
I made you an extra article about that which isn't published. That should also help Sven to implement this and see everything on one page. Exactly how it will look. https://planet.ipfire.org/post/test
Perfect! Thanks.
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Michael Tremer michael.tremer@ipfire.org wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, 2018-02-15 at 22:47 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hey folks,
great that things are moving along! You did a lot in the past days :)
I pushed some updated Donation screens and new ones to Zeplin.
Changelog: PayPal added
Great. I will think about the order because I am not sure if PayPal supports recurring donations and bank transfers are way cheaper for us.
Viewport S added
Looks very good.
Dialogs for personal data added
This looks good, but shows arrows where the country can be selected. Potentially we need to add a few lines of smallprint at the bottom that tells people why we need this infomation. I would assume that many will ask for that. Or should we put that into the smallprint on the main donation page?
Success and Failed page added
!!!
New icons and PayPal Logo added to Assets sheet.
Can we please move the text of "Why should I donate?" and "How much should
I
give?" to the bottom next to the FAQ again? I understand that you want all
the
information above the "fold". That works OK somehow in Viewport XL but the dark sidebar becomes longer and longer in smaller viewports. This results
in a
lot of unwanted whitespace and the FAQ are far away. As a trade-off I kept
the
headlines in the dark sidebar and placed jumpmark icons next to it.
Yes, please move this to where you think it is best. The text is not finalised yet and I will make this work later then. It would just be nice to have some area with text that everyone reads and where we encourage people to give (more :D) and some smallprint that just has to be there but nobody cares too much about.
I suppose as soon as Sven has implemented it all, I will check out the branch and write the texts and then we merge everything together.
After I read your last mail it seems to be that the Blog/Planet is pretty popular. Is this true? If so, should the link to the Planet not a lot more prominent? What about place "Planet" or "Blog" in the Topbar?
Should we even rename it "Blog"? That would be more obvious since it is not really a "planet" which used to be an aggregated RSS feed like Debian still has: https://planet.debian.org/
It is quite a nice news outlet for not too important news that are mainly interesting for people who are involved a bit more into the project. It's about development and what we are doing.
Layout and design of the Blog is straight forward. I'll focus on this now.
It
would help me a lot if you can point me to some sample articles where I
can
see ALL different textformatations which are needed. Or write down a list like: H1, H2, H3, bulletpoints, code, quote, highlight, etc.
I made you an extra article about that which isn't published. That should also help Sven to implement this and see everything on one page. Exactly how it will look.
https://planet.ipfire.org/post/test
I think I didn't forget anything. But if I did, please let me know.
Obviously the blue bar at the top will disappear when a post has been published :)
Hope this is all you need from me right now. Let me know if I can do anything else!
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions.
Best, Maurice
On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfire.org
wrote:
Hello guys,
because I am a little bit lost at the moment I would like to restart conversation again and check where everyone is at right now.
I had a brief email exchange with Sven and he is a bit busy this weekend
but
should have more time available next week. But I thought in the end it
is
easiest to use this list so nobody misses anything.
I would still like to push for a release of the website as soon as we
can,
but that doesn't mean I want to build up pressure. I just want to make sure
that
things are moving a long and that we get a minimum "product" ready to release and constantly keep improving this then.
Overall this seems to be a bit bigger than I thought in the beginning,
so we
need to break it down a bit further.
So the areas of attention are:
- Completing the donation page. Here we need the address inputs as far
as I
can see and the mentioned S viewport.
Index & Features look complete for me
Sven has already fixed the talk pages which are for internal use only
and
I think this will do for the moment. I have a few ideas how to make this better, but is not a priority for now.
- One of the bigger things (in terms of traffic) is the planet. I think
this
should not be too much work to make this "nice". It is working right
now,
but there is clearly a break of look & feel. But basically it has two pages which are very similar. I think to make that really nice, this shouldn't be
too
much extra work to be put in.
So can we put those two things (finishing the donation page & planet) on
the
list for the upcoming few weeks?
Is anyone working on other things at the moment? Just shoot me a quick email.
Best, -Michael
On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 12:37 +0000, Michael Tremer wrote:
Hi,
great that things are moving along...
On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 23:57 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote:
Hi all,
I did some adjustments on the existing donation pages and added the
XS
viewport in Zeplin.
Next up: • S viewport to reduce misunderstandings
What misunderstandings?
• Dialog (popups) for CC and SEPA form fields • Can you provide the needed information the user has to type in?
In all cases people need to type in:
First Name, Last Name Company Name (optional) Address Line 1 Address Line 2 Country (Probably as a dropdown)
We *never* take any credit card or bank account details. That is only
typed in
on the website of the payment provider.
We cannot even verify the address much, but we should make sure that
people
typed in something into every field except Address Line 2.
• Success page
Question: What happens after the submit of CC data? Can you scribble
something,
please?
There is probably two ways:
a) The transaction was successful and we should redirect the user to a
page
that says "Thank You"
b) The transaction was not successful and we should show a useful
error to
the
user which we will get from the payment provider. For example that the
credit
card has been declined or that the payment provider is experiencing a temporary error and that the user should retry in a moment.
There should also a button to retry so that people don't have to
submit
their
data again. I think that is necessary to make the entire process as
easy
as
possible.
I am not sure if there is a good way to let them choose a different
payment
option. People will have to go back and type in everything again.
Hope this answers all the questions :)
Best, -Michael
Let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
Best, Maurice
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Michael Tremer <michael.tremer@ipfir
e.or
g>
wrote: > Hello all, > > thanks for working on this. This is a huge step forward from what
he
have
> had > before. > > I especially appreciate the progress in both, design and
implement,
> although > it > is quite a busy time for everyone! > > I do have some questions/remarks though: > > * Does the currency selection need to be a dropdown? It feels a
bit
> excessive > for just two currencies. Just my two cents :) > > * One payment option I must have forgotten is PayPal, but that is
only
> available > for one-time payments. They don't allow recurring payments in
Europe.
> > * Some things need a bit of rewording. I think I would prefer the
text
> that > is > under the box (left side) to be on the left hand side of the box.
It
also
> doesn't sound right to me to say "1€ at least", but I didn't find
anything
> better, yet. I will think of that and update you. > > Best, > -Michael > > On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 00:25 +0100, Maurice Gesswein wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Changelog: > > Viewport M for donation page added > > Minor adjustments and fixed at XL and L > > Alignment fixed at some icons (please replace these): > > icon-varified > > icon-varified-green > > icon-wireless > > icon-wireless-blue > > icon-arrow-down > > New icons added: > > icon-lock > > checkboxes > > radiobuttons > > amex > > mastercard > > visa > > From Viewport M to XS the top navbar shows always a background.
See
> > "Homepage" > > and "Features" at Zeplin. That should simplify the code and
avoid
bugs I
> > hope. > > Doesn't it? Please let me know. > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswein
@ipf
> > ir > > e.or > > g> wrote: > > > Viewport XL and L are available at Zeplin. https://zpl.io/25N8
DpW
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Maurice Gesswein
<maurice.gesswe
in@i
> > > pf > > ire. > > > org> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > due to personal reasons I was not able to spent that much
time
into
> > the > > > > donate page so far. This is an unfinished version in our
biggest
> > viewport. > > > > Rest will follow asap. > > > > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nz2ktou84szrya0/Donate%20-%20XL.pn
g?dl
=0
> > > > > > > > Best, Maurice > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Michael Tremer
<michael.tremer@
ipfi
> > > > re > > .org > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I put together some ideas for the donation page. We have
the
> > > > > problem > > > > > that we > > > > > basically get no donations any more outside of the
wishlist
and
> > > > > even > > > > > those are > > > > > frankly way too low. The don't even cover our cost. > > > > > > > > > > And since we a providing a good product here which saves
people a
> > lot of > > > > > money > > > > > we should not be afraid to ask for donations. Of course it
is
> > > > > still > > free > > > > > for > > > > > everyone to donate or not, but some people need to be
reminded
> > > > > that > > this > > > > > possibility exists. > > > > > > > > > > So we will now add some new features: We will allow
donations
via
> > credit > > > > > card > > > > > and standing order to make this really hassle-free and we
will
> > > > > allow > > > > > recurring > > > > > donations because some people prefer to give a small
amount
each
> > month > > > > > instead > > > > > of a big amount once a year. > > > > > > > > > > We will also remove the variety of currencies and just use
EUR
&
> > > > > USD > > and > > > > > suggest > > > > > depending on GeoIP which one is default. USD will be
default
for
> > > > > the > > US > > > > > and > > > > > Canada obviously, but we will try to encourage people to
use
EUR
> > when > > > > > ever > > > > > possible since we pay less fees. > > > > > > > > > > Payment options are credit card & SEPA direct debit which
support
> > > > > recurring > > > > > donations. We don't support that with PayPal at the
moment,
but I
> > think > > > > > I will > > > > > need to implement their API. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to suggest amounts to donate. That seems to
be
common
> > > > > practice. We > > > > > should have 250, 100, 50, 25, 10 and a custom option where
people
> > can > > > > > enter what > > > > > ever they want. The minimum should be 1 (EUR/USD). If a
recurring
> > > > > donation is > > > > > picked, we should use some JS to halve the amount on those > > > > > buttons. > > > > > > > > > > We have to get the full name and address of the person who
donates
> > for > > > > > tax > > > > > reasons and secondly to get the payments through because
the
> > > > > credit > > card > > > > > companies validate those against their own database. > > > > > > > > > > We will also collect the email address to get in touch
with
> > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > So in the end the process will look like this: > > > > > > > > > > 1) Person selects one-time/monthly payment, an amount by
clicking
> > > > > on > > a > > > > > button > > > > > and selects the payment type. Click something like "Donate
Now".
> > > > > 2) A form is shown to enter name, email & address. > > > > > 3) Redirect to payment provider to enter credit card
stuff,
etc.
> > > > > 4) Payment provider redirects back to a thank you page > > > > > > > > > > This is probably a good example and done quite similar: > > > > > https://donate.mozilla.org/ > > > > > > > > > > I have also written a few new texts that probably need a
little
> > > > > bit > > of > > > > > refinement, but should be a good start: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should I donate? > > > > > > > > > > We are proud of what we are doing here at IPFire. We
create a
free
> > > > > firewall > > > > > distribution that is free to use for everyone anywhere in
the
> > > > > world. > > To > > > > > do that, > > > > > we need to provide the infrastructure to distribute it to
our
> > > > > users > > and > > > > > provide > > > > > the right tools for our developers to help them to make
IPFire
> > better > > > > > every day. > > > > > > > > > > Donations from individuals and corporations are the only
way
to
> > > > > keep > > all > > > > > of our > > > > > services free for everyone. They pay for hosting,
advertising,
> > purchase > > > > > equipment and to fund the work of the people behind it. > > > > > > > > > > Our ambition is to compete with projects backed by large > > corporations > > > > > and > > > > > proprietary solutions and we cannot do that without you.
Become a
> > > > > supporter > > > > > today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much should I give? > > > > > > > > > > Donations range from single digits donations to hundreds.
For
us
> > > > > it > > is > > > > > important > > > > > to give something back to help this project to succeed. If
you
> > > > > want > > to > > > > > help, > > > > > please do so and encourage others to do so, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we will also have a small FAQ depending if people
have
some
> > > > > difficulties > > > > > to donate or commonly asked questions. > > > > > > > > > > There should also be some area for the smallprint since we
need to
> > tell > > > > > people > > > > > who they are donating to and that we don't do any refunds,
etc.
> > > > > > > > > > @Maurice: Could you design a page like this? > > > > > > > > > > @Sven: Would you be up to implement his with the JS and
all
other
> > > > > frontend bits? > > > > > I would develop the backend and the interfaces with the
payment
> > > > > providers. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > -Michael > > > >
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Michael Tremer